Saturday, April 10, 2010

Sociopath song of the day: leave a scar


45 comments:

  1. I want to become a professional sociopath. What should I study : psychology, marketing, finance, management ? Where will I really learn to improve my sociopathic skills ? The real world ? Are there mentors for sociopaths ?

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  2. No mentor needed. Just do the "wrong" thing. If you can do that and live comfortably in your own skin, then you have arrived. The next step would be a frontal lobotomy. Now go, 007 and screw the world! I'll be waiting for u in the operating room, scalpal in hand.....
    Zan

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  3. Didn't you hear? There's a secret sociopath club where you can get your own custom made sociopath bracelet. Skull and cross-bones optional with complimentary metal spikes. Pay an extra $50 and get a custom fit pair of vampire teeth. Ask M.E. about it.

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  4. @ Zan : so sociopath have an operating room ? Interesting... Very interesting... And I should have guessed it by myself seeing Hannibal Lecter !

    @ Ishtar : I'm all for it. When could you do the exchange ? To forget to bring some spare cash to the meeting :)

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  5. lol

    I am starting to really like this blog. its interesting to read about/from sociopaths, idk why. they are just so intriguing and mysterious...

    XD

    oh random question. is there a disproportionate number of male sociopaths to female sociopaths? you always hear about them being males. im wondering if this is true, that most are males and if so what is the reason behind that?

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  6. No, Eternal, you have it wrong. I sometimes wish I could say I was one of you because my feelings do get the best of me a little more than I would like sometimes. I am an empath with access to an operating room because I am a nurse. There may come a day when your very life may depend on me doing the right thing. Who will be in a position of domination and power then? Never underestimate your opponent! As I work to understand and respect the plight of the sociopath and narcissist, it is my hope that one day there will come a time that the understanding will lead to acceptance and we can all live free of shame and respectful of the needs of each other. I have been very affected by sociopaths from the time I was an infant. My father is a sociopath and I have dated a string of them, all which have lead me down very painful roads. I have a strong investment in understanding where it is that I came from and the people that have affected me so greatly. I try to keep an open mind and hope that I am welcome on this site and will not be labeled as "weak". My experience with sociopaths have left me far from weak but at the time bewildered and seeking answers.
    Zan

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  7. why do you not want to be labeled as weak?

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  8. Because it is not something that anyone, sociopath or empath wants to be thought of. I view it the same way anyone in this forum would. I believe that the "strong" survive regardless of what we are. I suppose that I equate strength with intelligence. Whether that is true or not, that is how I see it.
    Zan

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  9. i meant why you didn't want to, not what you think everyone else wants, respectfully

    survivors survive, strength helps, sometimes

    so do you want to be seen as intelligent

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  10. Aspie,
    So you got me digging deep now, eh, well OK then.
    I don't want to be seen as "weak" in this forum because I am aware that sociopaths take advantage of, prey on and don't respect people they consider "weak". I guess what it all boils down to is respect. You can think I'm weak or you can think I am anything at all. I just don't want to know about it. Treat me with respect. Like for instance don't call me something like "bleeding heart empie"..lol

    "survivors survive, strength helps, sometimes"

    True survivors don't just survive. They "thrive". I have survived and I have thrived. I have always needed strength to get through the times I was merely surviving, meaning doing little more than breathing the air and taking up space, to reach a point where I am thriving (feeling joy, fulfilled and contented).


    "so do you want to be seen as intelligent"

    I don't care if I am seen as intelligent or not. My point was that strength and survival in the way I have defined it requires intelligence which gives us the ability to identify obstacles that interfere with our survival whether it be on a physical or emotional level. Sometimes I have been very intelligent and in other situations I have been quite stupid. With age, I find that my acts of stupidity are not quite as frequent as they used to be. I try to learn from the stupid things I do/have done. That is what keeps me from getting or staying stuck.
    Zan

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  11. There may come a day when your very life may depend on me doing the right thing. Who will be in a position of domination and power then? Never underestimate your opponent!

    If you are a certified nurse (or anyone in the medical field), then you are not qualified to make such judgements, unless you want to lose your license for malpractice. It has little to do with power than it does with legality, so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

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  12. Ishtar,
    What I said was meant more figuratively. If you have ever been seriously ill and needed to rely on anyone for your care then you know that there is a place where logic of the law and the imagination divide. It can be rather terrifying depending on strangers, regardless of legalities, expertise etc. My point is that the very people whose lives you fuck with are the very people that you may be turning to one day to do the best job they can with your life. Lets face it. We are not computers. We all have bad days. People suffer under the best of hands and laws get broken, usually not intentionally. It's good to think about this scenario if one is ever tempted to mess with someone just for the hell of it. The tables can turn very quickly.
    Zan

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  13. Do you all believe in karma?

    Zan

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  14. My point is that the very people whose lives you fuck with are the very people that you may be turning to one day to do the best job they can with your life.

    You presuppose that you know who is fucking you over to begin with, when that is rarely ever the case. Taking the law into your own hands based on an emotionally driven [irrational] adherence to your beliefs about "justice" is a form of weakness, in my opinion.

    Do you all believe in karma?

    What are you suggesting?

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  15. Ishtar,
    I have been speaking in generalities. When I asked about karma, it was a way of suggesting that there is balance that comes from a power greater than any of us. There was no presupposition with regard to any specific individual and I did not mean to imply that anyone takes the law into their own hands. What I am implying is that catastrophic things do happen and are not always the fault of anyone involved in a given situation, such as, for example, a complication from surgery. If one believes in karma, a person could think that the fault might actually fall on the person who has experienced the bad situation. It could be that the laws and forces of nature are balancing the good and evil. What comes around goes around but not necessarily in the way that it started out. I realize that sociopaths are not plagued with alot of guilt for things that they do that they know darn well are wrong. I am curious whether "karma" ever enters into the thoughts of a sociopath and actually changes behavior in favor of the potential victim.

    Zan

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  16. So your argument is under the assumption that there is some objective "right" or "wrong" that socio/psychopaths are simply ignorant or apathetic toward? In that case no, I don't believe in such superstitions, but I do believe in consequences.

    Also, what you call a "victim" may just be someone caught within the pathological behaviours of a psychopath. As has been mentioned several times before, pleasure from harming others is sadism, and not all psychopaths are sadists, nor are all sadists psychopaths.

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  17. But it’s not a stretch to make the conclusion that more often then not a psychopath is sadistic, it is?

    Zan

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  18. Been spending a little too much time on Lovefraud, I see.

    If one of the symptoms of psychopathy is lack of emotional affect, then wouldn't pleasure from harming others be included? It is an emotion, after all.

    You're also forgetting the difference between those that are born, and those that are created. Those that are created, I'd imagine, will likely have more power issues causing them to become sadistic in order to gain whatever power they think that they deserve.

    If you're truly here to "understand" socio/psychopaths better, then do yourself a favour and avoid the sweeping generalizations you've been making thus far.

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  19. @ Ishtar : one of the symptoms of psychopathy is a far greater tolerance for emotions. And if the emotional stimuli is under a certain level, we don't feel anything. That's partly why some of us love violence and excess.

    As for me, I don't really like normal women but I love empath, they feel so much more, it's like I can live through them when I torture them. You should watch Star Trek - The Next Generation season 1 episode 23 - Skin of Evil. An evil creature choses to torture an empath and... well... that's a fantastic episode.

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  20. @ Zan :

    "My experience with sociopaths have left me far from weak but at the time bewildered and seeking answers."

    Seeking answers... yeah right... Your father is a sociopath, your boyfriends were sociopaths and you're hanging on a sociopath's blog. I'd say that you might be seeking more than answers even though you might not be aware of your deepest motives. Because of your father, they might be repressed. That being said, you might be well aware of them.

    And you're right about being strong : weakness is disgusting. There is no real joy in breaking or seducing or dating or minionizing someone who's already broken. Brr, they've got no emotion, no life inside them, no joy, no fear.

    A sociopath is like a vampire : he is charimastic and suck the life out of his victim but he won't kill it because he needs it... Weak people are dead people.

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  21. Id like to know what any of the comments have to do with the song posted?

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  22. nothing. they have nothing to do with the song. you see, this is what happens when m.e. posts a pointless post...we go off into an down word spiral that leads us into talking about more meaningful, but also pointless, topics.

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  23. "Id like to know what any of the comments have to do with the song posted?"

    The song got my inner sociopath excited and I wanted to develop that side of my complex personality by learning to become an uber psychopath like Marlyn Manson.

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  24. nothing. they have nothing to do with the song. you see, this is what happens when m.e. posts a pointless post...we go off into an down word spiral that leads us into talking about more meaningful, but also pointless, topics.

    Quite.

    Anon @ 11:27 AM, do you really want to have a discussion about a talentless invalid like Marylin Manson?

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  25. Ishtar, I have no problem admitting that I have spent time on "Lovefraud", Sandra Brown's website and read several books about narcissism and sociopathology. I understand the scientific version of a sociopath but as I mentioned, my father is one and I have dated at least 2. I do think that the majority of men that I have dated have been more narcissistic. The information that I have read does not completely answer all my questions because the experience that I have with them, particularly my father does not match everything I have read. My father has the behaviors and traits pretty much exactly the way the books describe a sociopath to be. The books don't mention all the contradictions in thoughts and behaviors. My father, in addition to his quite scary and rather sadistic demeanor has a soft side, almost teddy bear like that I don't think he is even aware that he is displaying. If you get to close to that, there is hell to be paid. This tells me that there is alot more to know than just the evil, sensationalism that is written in many books. I have found that teddy bear type quality in boyfriends as well. I will admit that in those cases it was probably put on for show to manipulate and I fell for it.


    "If you're truly here to "understand" socio/psychopaths better, then do yourself a favour and avoid the sweeping generalizations you've been making thus far."

    The generalizations are a starting point. I have used them to introduce ideas in hopes that by your responses we could get more specific.


    Zan

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  26. Eternal said...
    @ Zan :


    "Seeking answers... yeah right... Your father is a sociopath, your boyfriends were sociopaths and you're hanging on a sociopath's blog. I'd say that you might be seeking more than answers even though you might not be aware of your deepest motives. Because of your father, they might be repressed. That being said, you might be well aware of them."

    Eternal,
    So what are you saying? Are you suggesting that I am between psycho boyfriends and am trolling for the next ripe catch? Oh please! Just beause it is second nature for you to have a hidden agenda, does not mean that all of us do. Remember, I am an empath and I have no reason to lie. I am attractive enough that I do not need to go online to find myself a "catch". Trust me when I say that I NEVER set out to date sociopaths or narcissists.

    We are extremely different but when it comes to sex and relationships we are very much the same. Given that I grew up in life filled with drama and intensity, I have learned that I have been drawn to the intensity that comes from exciting men that are charming, often risk takers, movers, shakers and a hell of a lot of fun.

    I thought that I could get those qualities while also getting a person that is honest, committed, loving, hard working with good integrity such as myself. I did not know that there were people that literally have little positive feelings that cause them to have to live severely on the edge to get a minute amt of joy for themselves. I did not know that there was a whole other world that people lived in.

    My upbringing molded me into the kind of woman that just seems to naturally go with a sociopath or narcissist. Thank goodness I now have the information and can see the signs so I never have to experience the same kind of pain that I have in the past.

    When a person has experieced such intense trauma and pain, which, Eternal, you could not understand, there is a strong need to make sense of it.

    I have read on "Lovefraud" among many other publications that there is no sense to be made out of any of it and that I should just move on.

    Like someone on here said, sociopaths are humans. If everyone has the idea that we should just not take a second look and move one, then essentially a large part of the population is being discounted and the problem will not go away.

    The only possibility for change comes from people like me who care enough to ask questions and understand.

    So please, Eternal, do not second guess my motives or tell me that there is some other reason that I am here other than what I tell you. I am quite capable of speaking for myself.

    I have no agenda other than what I have stated. As it pertains to me and my motives, if it isn't coming from the horses mouth, it just simply isn't.

    Zan

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  27. Zan, honestly, you're not going to learn much by coming here, as you're only getting anecdotal evidence from people who may or may not even be psychopaths. You have just as much reason to suspect me of pretending as you do with everyone else here, since you'll never actually find out if we are or not.

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  28. Ishtar,
    I do realize that what you have said is true, however, it has been my observation that if someone is truly sociopathic, their responses are such that they can't be made up because they are just so "off". They are "off" in very subtle way. A person who is normal, attempting to fake sociopathology would not make up something so subtle. Since you do not feel that this is a place for me to be, what or where would you suggest that I try?
    Zan

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  29. I don't take this place very seriously myself, so just take what you read with a grain of salt.

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  30. Zan has sociopathic daddy.
    Zan then seeks to fuck sociopaths.

    Just want to be loved by daddy?

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  31. Anonymous,
    Could you be anymore blunt? I guess that is the difference between us empaths and you sociopaths. Whatever, i can hang. You have a point. There was a time that I went for men like daddy with the subconscious hope of receiving the love I did not get from him. Now that I am aware, I can't say honestly that I am still drawn to the sociopathic type, BUT, now that I have identified that this is the type of person that I have been dealing with and know the devastation they cause in so many ways, I have chosen to remain single and celibate for now. I am enjoying my life this way because I feel free and am no longer being manipulated with head games by a person who is nothing more in my life than a big fat dead end. Soooo, until the nerd of my dreams comes along, I guess this is my life and I am lovin it!
    Zan

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  32. Sorry, typo...I meant to say that I am still drawn to the sociopathic type but do everything in my power to stay away!

    Zan

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  33. I'm starting to like you, Zan. Stick around.

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  34. Ishtar

    "Anon @ 11:27 AM, do you really want to have a discussion about a talentless invalid like Marylin Manson?"

    touche'

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