As sociopaths we all have a baby sister named Borderline Personality Disorder. (This woman has a real sister with BPD and wrote a book based partially on her experiences). I say sister because unlike sociopaths, who are primarily male, BPDs are primarily female. She's a little sister because on the danger/power spectrum of the empathy-challenged, she is closer to the aspie's and the autie's than the narcissists or sociopaths. But don't underestimate her -- she can be nefarious when she wants to be. Though she's more likely to steal a spouse than to steal $50B.The BPD is a lot of things, but most interesting to me is the skill with which she sheds one skin after another. For narcissists the mirror is always pointed at themselves, but for BPDs the mirror is always pointed at others -- allowing those around them to see exactly what they want to see.* For instance, under the title Meet the Marriage Magnet, this self-confessed chameleon explains why she believes she received nine marriage proposals:
I was living like a trainee Stepford WifeA similar character can be found in Edith Wharton's short story "The Other Two," wherein the third and current husband of Mrs. Alice Waythone encounters the first two husbands by chance and is distressed to discover that these men -- who share nothing in common with him -- each had a relationship with his wife quite similar to his own. As professor Cynthia Griffin Wolff puts it:
Young and still experimenting with my sense of self, I was happy to pursue their pastimes, agree with their politics, even wear clothes they liked.
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Besides, I find it easy to understand other points of view or problems and I get close to people quite quickly. I'm always interested in other people's hobbies, families and their lives - I suppose that's why I'm a writer.
This intimacy can be misinterpreted for a lot, lot more than mere curiosity. My boyfriends assumed I was smitten with them because I fell into the habit of moulding myself into their ideal.
To each and every one of these three quite different men, Alice Waythorne had been the perfect wife: eager to please, ready and willing to adjust her behavior and desires to those of her husband. Gradually, as Mr. Waythorne lets this fatal knowledge penetrate his judgment, the very qualities he had most admired in his wife begin to seem grotesque and deformed. He wonders who she is, wonders whether she is anybody at all in particular. He marvels at her personality, "for it was an art, and made up, like all others, of concessions, eliminations and embellishments; of lights judiciously thrown and shadows skillfully softened."I have a friend who was married to a woman with BPD and had a similar lament -- he never knew who she was, or if what she felt was real. It makes me wonder -- even if sociopaths became truly harmless, would we ever be accepted? Or do our neurological differences represent an unbridgeable divide between us and empaths? If a Stepford wife-type creeps people out, do socios stand a chance?
*sociopaths are probably best described as being behind a two-way mirror.
Interesting, I personally don’t have any experiences with Borderlines. The only Borderline I know is Homer Simpson. :)
ReplyDelete“even if sociopaths became truly harmless, would we ever be accepted?”
I doubt that, but it would be nice, since I was recently diagnosed as sub-clinical psychopath and aspie. Yes I am both.
The one thing I miss in this “article” is it doesn’t mention the self-mutilating behavior of BPDs.
I'm going to disagree that sociopathy and borderline personality disorder are similar, or even related. I know, because I am a sociopath with BPD, and the two conditions are markedly different despite a few superficially similar symptoms.
ReplyDeleteBasically, borderlines have irrationally intense, badly regulated emotions (thus the move to rename the condition to emotional dysregulation disorder), whereas the sociopath typically has little emotional intensity. Before I developed borderline sometime in my late teens, I was almost without recognizable powerful emotion. I recall being puzzled by not even being able to feel love for my mother, and being generally unphased by things which should have bothered me.
Not that BPD gave me the ability to love, at least not in the way most people think, but now everything phases me. I often swing between feeling worthless (for no real reason), and feeling arrogantly superior.
There are similarities, both conditions lead to manipulation, promiscuity, impulse control problems and a poor ability to maintain relationships, but for different reasons. The borderline desperately seeks to control others to avoid negative feelings, to keep people from leaving her, or whatever, unlike to sociopath who manipulates dispassionately for her own gain. Naturally, I do both, though less of the former because I don't have a lot of abandonment anxiety (people rarely matter enough to me for me to worry they'd leave me, and my ego is too big).
Similarly, relationships with borderlines tend to be turbulent and often end dramatically because of the borderline's splitting (alternating between seeing things and people as either all good, or all bad), extreme (and often irrationally expressed) fear of rejection, and generally hard-to-handle mood swings. Nothing turns guys off like being screamed at for almost no reason at all. The sociopath, on the other hand, is much more likely not to care about maintaining the relationship, and so hurts her partner. That, or her partner figures out she's not actually emotionally available.
As an aside, the marriage chameleon who is so often proposed to does not seem typically borderline--a borderline woman is more likely to be in abusive relationships, or be used for sex, than to be seen as a good wife. Most of us can't keep it together long enough for a man to want to put up with us for the long haul.
The other common symptoms are for similarly disparate causes, and there are a lot of differences, too. Like, borderlines do have empathy. In fact, extreme empathy and sensitivity to others is generally a symptom of borderline... and a good example of the weird way the two conditions mix. I do have some capacity for empathy, but unless I'm in an especially vulnerable headspace it's a very small capacity.
Also, the reason for the sex differences does not suggest the two conditions (if you want to consider being a sociopath a condition, which it isn't, it's more of a personality type) are male and female versions of the same thing. Rather, the most likely cause is purely organic. Socopathy is more adaptive in men, in that male sociopaths are more likely to reproduce successfully because of their promiscuity and often numerous offspring (which end up being raised by the mother), while a female sociopath is less likely to have a lot of kids. More women are borderline likely because women are more prone to emotional intensity and empathy, both biologically and due to their socialization.
So I would say that while the sociopath may be a two-way mirror, the borderline is a magnifying glass amplifying every little thing.
I agree... perfect.
Deletewell said,the author really doesnt much about BPD
Delete"sociopaths are probably best described as being behind a two-way mirror."
ReplyDeleteThat was perfect.
Borderlines are pretty much ruled by emotion, inappropriately applied emotion, and get really nasty when they don't know what to do about it. If they can, they turn it off, letting it burn them subconsciously, and go on their self- destructive way. They are self-preservers like sociopaths but don't mind hurting themselves to get satisfaction. They'll be sad whenever they hurt someone else, but they would rather just go ahead and wreak havoc whenever they feel like it and say sorry later. While they might be competitive and even methodical, they are not consistent enough in their behaviors to dedicate themselves to lots of systematic destruction, rather, sporadic explosive episodes are the main form of attack. Also, most of them probably feel evil and are bothered by it.
ReplyDeleteI beg to differ about the emotionality of Borderlines. I have found it to be an admitted tool of manipulation to be overly-emotional in a negative way (never in a positive). These are not emotions, but emotional displays. Granted, they have negative emotions towards SELF and outburst onto others, but they do not have emotions for others except resentment and contempt. They lack empathy on the highest level. And self-harm, there are two forms: 1) trichtotillomania (compulsive hair pulling), burning, and "cutting" that relies pent-up stress and usually done in isolation, and 2) "cutting" and para-suicidal events that are by far non-lethal and done for manipulative purposes. The borderline uses #2 to change the subject if they are cornered with the truth about misdeeds and want to change the subject, having a psychotic stress-induced episode where they are threatened to be exposed or things not go their way. I am just saying, these "emotions" that Borderlines have are displays designed to manipulate a response or outcome or change in direction, or they are mood driven-rampages, but they are negative in nature and selfish. It's not like they get mad and take up for a relative or primary mate that is in too deep and is merely prey to them. Outside of self-harm and this supposed "emotionality" - what is the difference in a Borderline and Psychopath really? very little. There are distinct similarities in the white brain matter formations and active brain centers used in certain response situations by Borderlines and Psychopaths, very much identical. And the 80%-20% of borderlines being mostly female counter balances the 80%-20% of Psychopathy being comprised of mostly males. I would venture to say that if we were to add up all Borderlines and Histrionics and weigh add them in with Psychopaths and Sociopaths that they percentages would balance between the genders to 50%-50%. Borderlines seemingly like to have us think that their episodic psychotic breaks and rampages are "emotions" or "emotional", when in fact, they are raging for attention, manipulation, boredom, self-loathing and any kind of response from those closest and behind closed doors primarily. In broad daylight, they are cunning and capable and sunny in disposition and they can change from one negative personality behind closed doors to a positive and sunny personality in the time that it takes for an outside visitor's knock at the door, the phone to ring, or to step out of a car door at your intended place of arrival. Borderlines scam people with emotional displays and seek pity ritually. Q.) What makes people aid a damsel in distress with their last dollar or hard labors? A) Pity - usually in response to an audible/visual "emotional" display. They turn it on/off with equal enthusiasm. Don't fall for it because MOST can control it at a whim.
DeleteIf I am being totally honest with myself, I would have to agree with anonymous August 4, 2012 regarding BPD. I have gone through most of my life believing I would never deliberately hurt a person - much less manipulate someone. It took a relationship with another pathological (a sociopath) to make me see what I do. He had said at the beginning of our relationship that he liked me because I was like him. He also didn't think he could hurt me as badly as he did because of that assumption. However, once he realized he misjudged me as another socio when I was really BPD he tried to back away in order to save me from the inevitable. That doesn't sound like a socio but we were old friends that reconnected and I think he felt a very little something when he realized I was getting in "too deep" He was of course calculating everything he did while I was also playing a game and upfront about it but I was never playing to win. I was playing to have fun and did not know that socios only know one way to play. Most of my "moves" were subconsciously calculated because I really felt like I was going with the flow yet I had an agenda to have fun ... indefinitely. Of course, when he was done and ready to move on, I was devastated. Still, after reading the above post, I have to wonder now how much of my pain was genuine and how much of it was subconsciously calculated to try and change the outcome of our game... if I am being totally honest.
DeleteI have to wonder if you (the author) actually understand what BPD is. Could you give me a definition? Also, what do you mean by "sociopath"? Technically there isn't an agreed upon definition in the psychological world.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant. I just read this now. This is exactly as I would have put it.
ReplyDeleteMy ex-girlfriend was (and still is) a Borderline, and I found she understood me more than other people, and I felt I understood her to some degree whilst at the same time, not knowing her at all.
In my experience, BPs are hugely empathetic. Too empathetic, at times. They use their abundance of empathy to understand people, they can become very important to people and then they will manipulate at will. Whereas I will manipulate someone and somehow understand that it is wrong, ergo other people wouldn't do it, she could manipulate someone and trick herself into thinking it was perfectly fine.
I think ASPD and BPD are made for eachother, if I'm honest.
Why not start an online ASPD meets BPD dating agency :D
DeleteThere is one--e.harmony. My sister met her boyfriend there.
Delete"I think ASPD and BPD are made for eachother, if I'm honest."
ReplyDeleteI have BPD and I've been with a girl with ASPD for six years. Amusingly I believe you are right.
It's torturous. I'm losing my sanity and I don't even trust my own perception of reality, or her words and actions.
I'm a self-destructive borderline with masochistic tendencies. I would have to be wouldn't I, you'd have to be stupid to act like me.
The awful thing is she's as lonely and as empty inside as me. If I don't pull her out of this (yes by being more manipulative than her) then she's always going to feel that way. I can't let her lead that kind of existance.
PS - You've said borderline are sociopaths. I do have empathy and I do have a conscience. I won't cheat on her for my own satisfaction, but I can't say that I wouldn't hurt her. I'll do it to pull her out of her sad existance and I'll deal with the consequences.
ASPD = sociopath.
BPD = not necessarily a sociopath. Borderlines can have ASPD, but that is one particular subclass. Just like sociopath is one small subclass of psychopath.
Well according to various psychiatry institutions 'sociopathy' is a synonym of 'psychopathy', though generally in (often incorrect or poorly understood) popular culture psychopathy is assumed to involve a sickening criminal element
DeleteI am dealing with a male who says he is diagnosed as a BPD yet I am wondering if he is just saying this to seem more pitiable, as Borderline personalities I think are reputed to feel their emotions too strongly, rather than not at all, be afraid of abandonment like a child and obviously self-hating (suicidal)... I believe he may be acting when he claims he is so sorry for how he hurts others and he wishes he could stop. He lives with a girl while continually finding other women online through dating websites or in person locally and lies to them about who he is, what he does, and how he feels telling every woman he likes that he is in love with them and wants to marry them and have a baby. He has a methodical and calculated approach to his seduction, using the same lines and tactics every time, pretending to be a Muslim with one girl and a Christian with another. When caught by one of these girls and perhaps concerned with that girl contacting the girl he lives with he 1. described himself as being sorry for what he does but unable to stop himself 2. describes himself as hating himself, women and god 3. claims he is suicidal and still wants to try a life with her and that she can have his baby before he dies...if she wants... however that is likely a lie to make her pity him and shift the attention from her pain to his and 4. claims that he once beat his ex wife and his sister 5. claims that he has done this his whole life 6. claims he initiates the end of the relationship when he chooses 7. claims the live in girlfriend knows what he does but pities him because he had such a hard childhood and he can't help himself, and she knows his true heart and loves him anyway. He claims he stays with her because she needs him and he has too much compassion to leave her and he doesnt sleep with her. But it is likely he is just extremely dependent on her financially and otherwise... oh, and he often gets people to give him money and says he will pay them back but never does. Is he a Sociopath trying to seem borderline or is he borderline?
ReplyDeletei haven't properly read this thread cos i'm feeling like shit and can't be arsed. scuse the french. here's my two cents anyways. i'm lol, borderline borderline. ie. i fulfil most of the criteria but i'm at the low end of bpd. i'm young, female and also find men ask me to marry them when they've known me only minutes. bpd's are codependent creatures, no doubt about it and men like this. (ahem, socios). i won't deny i've been both cherished and dismissed as a kook by all and sundry. i'm not the manipulative type of bpd. but due to my emotionality i wouldn't put it passed me. but seriously, i'm too open and earnest and if i'm accused as such it is about the worst thing that can be done to me. i also don't do the 'threatening to kill myself to get a b and c' thing. i have clinical depression and can get self-destructive when my intense energy has nowhere to go ie. a nutty relationship or anything sensationally consuming at any given moment. chronic boredom and disinterest in the pedestrian (lucky)normalcy of the majority of this damn world means i am very drawn to sociopathic types. i am an uber-empath - right at the extreme end there - what fun. most people just don't GET IT. being misunderstood from age 0 upwards is a tedious alienating chore and what relief we can find in each other is a mercy and a great education too. i met my socio and it was the only time i'd been drawn out of my depression in nine years. i felt actually alive. not an effing zombie, but real. no one was to blame for how it ended but myself and i have nothing bad to say about sociopaths right at this moment. they are what they are. there is one in my family and of all of my family, he is the one who instills me with courage when i'm consumed with the fear that my parents instilled in me. i love him for that.
ReplyDeletei remember M.E saying that socios are intensely loyal (in the right circumstances) and I too am loyal to a point that it bypasses any rationale. to my friends and when i'm in love. however, I am excrutiatingly unreliable too, rendering that loyalty rather questionable in many, but not all cases. make sense? try being me.
i don't trust myself, let alone anyone in the world. when i love, i have no desire to change the person to whom i am instinctually loyal to a single bit. maybe i'm just weird.
i haven't properly read this thread cos i'm feeling like shit and can't be arsed. scuse the french. here's my two cents anyways. i'm lol, borderline borderline. ie. i fulfil most of the criteria but i'm at the low end of bpd. i'm young, female and also find men ask me to marry them when they've known me only minutes. bpd's are codependent creatures, no doubt about it and men like this. (ahem, socios). i won't deny i've been both cherished and dismissed as a kook by all and sundry. i'm not the manipulative type of bpd. but due to my emotionality i wouldn't put it passed me. but seriously, i'm too open and earnest and if i'm accused as such it is about the worst thing that can be done to me. i also don't do the 'threatening to kill myself to get a b and c' thing. i have clinical depression and can get self-destructive when my intense energy has nowhere to go ie. a nutty relationship or anything sensationally consuming at any given moment. chronic boredom and disinterest in the pedestrian (lucky)normalcy of the majority of this damn world means i am very drawn to sociopathic types. i am an uber-empath - right at the extreme end there - what fun. most people just don't GET IT. being misunderstood from age 0 upwards is a tedious alienating chore and what relief we can find in each other is a mercy and a great education too. i met my socio and it was the only time i'd been drawn out of my depression in nine years. i felt actually alive. not an effing zombie, but real. no one was to blame for how it ended but myself and i have nothing bad to say about sociopaths right at this moment. they are what they are. there is one in my family and of all of my family, he is the one who instills me with courage when i'm consumed with the fear that my parents instilled in me. i love him for that.
ReplyDeletei remember M.E saying that socios are intensely loyal (in the right circumstances) and I too am loyal to a point that it bypasses any rationale. to my friends and when i'm in love. however, I am excrutiatingly unreliable too, rendering that loyalty rather questionable in many, but not all cases. make sense? try being me.
i don't trust myself, let alone anyone in the world. when i love, i have no desire to change the person to whom i am instinctually loyal to a single bit. maybe i'm just weird.
i haven't properly read this thread cos i'm feeling like shit and can't be arsed. scuse the french. here's my two cents anyways. i'm lol, borderline borderline. ie. i fulfil most of the criteria but i'm at the low end of bpd. i'm young, female and also find men ask me to marry them when they've known me only minutes. bpd's are codependent creatures, no doubt about it and men like this. (ahem, socios). i won't deny i've been both cherished and dismissed as a kook by all and sundry. i'm not the manipulative type of bpd. but due to my emotionality i wouldn't put it passed me. but seriously, i'm too open and earnest and if i'm accused as such it is about the worst thing that can be done to me. i also don't do the 'threatening to kill myself to get a b and c' thing. i have clinical depression and can get self-destructive when my intense energy has nowhere to go ie. a nutty relationship or anything sensationally consuming at any given moment. chronic boredom and disinterest in the pedestrian (lucky)normalcy of the majority of this damn world means i am very drawn to sociopathic types. i am an uber-empath - right at the extreme end there - what fun. most people just don't GET IT. being misunderstood from age 0 upwards is a tedious alienating chore and what relief we can find in each other is a mercy and a great education too. i met my socio and it was the only time i'd been drawn out of my depression in nine years. i felt actually alive. not an effing zombie, but real. no one was to blame for how it ended but myself and i have nothing bad to say about sociopaths right at this moment. they are what they are. there is one in my family and of all of my family, he is the one who instills me with courage when i'm consumed with the fear that my parents instilled in me. i love him for that.
ReplyDeletei remember M.E saying that socios are intensely loyal (in the right circumstances) and I too am loyal to a point that it bypasses any rationale. to my friends and when i'm in love. however, I am excrutiatingly unreliable too, rendering that loyalty rather questionable in many, but not all cases. make sense? try being me.
i don't trust myself, let alone anyone in the world. when i love, i have no desire to change the person to whom i am instinctually loyal to a single bit. maybe i'm just weird.
ok i know i've posted three identical comments. it was my plan. honestly. in the future event that i only want to post a comment once as is more traditional, could someone explain to me how to delete the two extra fucking comments!! ;) cheers.
ReplyDeletechrist this site is totally messing with me. how do i delete my two extra comments? anyone?
ReplyDeletewouldn't be surprised if this comment doesn't stick either.
i also found myself a narcissist and there was a palpable difference between him and the socio. i got NOTHING from the narc except abuse and that was BEFORE we ever slept together, which we never did cos i could never feel comfortable with him. hmm wonder why?
ReplyDeletesocios give, superfically or whatever, but you get something. and is it me or do narcissists have the most dire lack of sense of humour? about themselves certainly.
anyway, i'll stop babbling...i'm just tired.
Ugh. this website is hard to be a part of with so many people diagnosing themselves and obviously making shit up for attention.. but I'm diagnosed by a DOCTOR (yes i have it on paper)with BPD and for a long time i questioned the diagnosis to the extreme because i seemed to NOT have empathy for anyone or anyhting i did with the exception of a few people or situations. people told me i appreared unable to feel anything at all. but the same doctor that diagnosed me assured me that that was a defense i put up (in result of shame and abuse) in order to block out the strong and painful sadness for the way i treated others and how i couldnt control it. and when i became aware of that, i started realizing it to be true. the subconcious mind is amazing.
ReplyDeleteWhy bother starting your post like that when you have probably never met any of the people on here and therefore have no idea if they're making it up or not? What's all this "I have it on paper" about? Some kind of boast about a doctor diagnosing you? You want a medal? You could be making it up. He might not have even been a doctor anyway, he might have been a sociopath pretending to be a doctor bullshitting you for a laugh.
DeleteGoing to disagree with Page I think it was (the bpd and aspie) Being a borderline myself I can tell you that yes we are "marriage chamelions" as one of the symptoms of borderline is a need for acceptance, and manipulation, we do get into relationships with many people very quickly and most of the time its not one at a time, so no, not that hard to as you put it "keep it together" I don't know if you are truly a borderline or not, but u are definitely starved for attention and grandiose and speaking on things you obviously don't know about. The reason men are more often aspie is genetic and social, they're taught to be strong and not show weakness and for someone that is playing a constant chess match with life they cannot lose control, inherently boys are told from a young age to shake it off... girls on the other hand become borderline again genetics play a role but environment is bigger, girls are taught that they are pretty princesses and daddy little girl, etc attention, attention. So as an adult they do what seek attention Nd act out sexually to get it with poor impulse control in all areas of their life cuz hey sex doesn't pay the rent unless Ur hooken so they get attention from friends they have to buy cuz of they mood swings with trips to the mall and lunch out and if the old friends are fed up well then we will go buy new ones! No aspie is not the same as borderline!
ReplyDeleteI'm pretty sure phage didn't use the word "aspie" whatsoever in her comment above. Oddly enough.
DeleteOh yeah n another thing about borderline, one of my diagnosing factors was when my doc found out I cut not for suicide but for the release, then there is the chronic suicidal ideation, and a whole lot of other things that my doctor put into diagnosing me. I M not saying that there is no way that you could not be borderline and aspie Page but I am saying probably not since aspie has limited to no emotional response from what I have read and been told. And I have had to do extensive research being that my father is a diagnosed sociopath, and I have a 11 year old son who has what we believe to be bipolar, but with the family history and genetic factors I am not taking ANY chances!
ReplyDeleteI once read that women manifest as borderlines and males typically manifest into ASPD.
ReplyDeleteI will say that my dad is aspd (wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a sociopath/psychopath though)- but he was in prison for 10+ years, so he wasnt the most upstanding citizen lol.
Anyway, we're just alike. I'm diagnosed borderline- which there wouldn't be a doubt even if I wasn't diagnosed. And I'm pretty sure my mom is borderline.
I kind of border between them. I'm not as emotional as my mom, but I can fly into a rage like no one's business. But at other times, I have no emotional reaction.
Anyway, just commenting on whoever above mentioned about aspd and borderlines being made for each other. Didn't work out for my parents- they reacted a bit to violently to one another, but as far as me personally- my ex-boyfriend had aspd (and strongly suggested p/s traits) and I will say that he has up til this point been the ONLY person I've ever truly been able to connect with and be comfortable around.
It didn't work out due to my pushing and pulling and inevitable unraveling, but he made me feel the most alive than I ever have in my entire life, and I'm pretty convinced at this point that that feeling is something that I will only be able to get from someone who is like me- or the male mirror of myself; so yeah- I agree that borderlines and anti-socials are the perfect match. Anybody else would just be way too boring. I need someone who speaks my language. :)
I have book marked this website, because all the articles are those which always sparked my interest, though can't read them in a go but still trying to learn as much as I can.
ReplyDeleteI was diagnosed as having BPD when I was 17. I'm 32 now, and not nearly as much as a train wreck as I used to be. IDK if that diagnose describes me anymore or not. I do know I am abnormal, or to put it in a nice term, an "eccentric." Due to a really bad speech impediment, I never learned how to be a sociable person. I feel stunted socially, if that makes any sense. I have no friends whatsoever, and 99% of the time I am not bothered by not having friends. Other times, I wish I had somebody to call me to go party with on a Friday night. I have had a boyfriend or husband since I was 17. Finding a partner has never been difficult for me. I am physically attractive, and due to my weirdness, most guys find me fascinating. They never get bored with me, as the husbands of "soccer moms" do. Yeah, I'm a real roller coster ride. But goddamn, I have an intense fear of abandonment.
ReplyDelete-Marian
I have abolsute BPD tendencies as an attractive, intelligent, emotionally volatile women. The love of my life is a sociopathic tycoon, he embodies the dark triad. We have an almost telepathic link and kindred spirit. It's frenetic. Our dis-eases fit perfectly into eachother. A yin and yang. I guess some of us aren't made for The Brady Bunch. God, how I miss him.
ReplyDeleteMy three best female friends (all at different times) were borderlines. I suddenly "abandoned" all three of them when they became annoying to me and were no longer useful. I have often wondered what attracted these people with BPD to me. Perhaps because I completely ignored their hacked up arms and legs in my not really giving a damn about them at all. They were basically pawns, and almost partners at times, in havoc.
ReplyDeleteI am a 23 year old borderline female and in a relationship with a 30 year old made socio. He has lied to me about EVERYTHING, and i mean EVERYTHING> for which i have no reason, he knows i could care less about his age, or some girl he slept with before he even knew me. But he cannot help but lie, lie, and lie some more. He lies so much he believe his own bullshit. Last night we got into a huge fight resulting in him abusing me and me calling the cops. We have not talked since, i have no idea whats going to happen. My "SANE" and rational brain knows i deserve so much better, and is very scared of him. Yet my emotions are so strong, i dont want to let go, and am afraid we will never talk again. Until yesterday it hadnt stumbled upon e that he has ASPD. I have been educated alot with therapy being that Ive know im borderline for 4 years now.
ReplyDeleteIts crazy because we have had such amazing times together, and were really in love so much that everyone could tell. But my borderline pushes me to seek the truth out with him because i would rather abandon him then have him to me later. Or something else dangerous happen. Whether it be him causing harm to me, or me to myself :/...
I dont know what to do?!
My borderline sense that he needs my love and help.....JESUS I HATE THIS life sentence disorder....
please helo ??
When you say that you were "really in love so much", sadly for you, if he is a sociopath it isn't likely that he was in love with you, more likely you were useful to him. Probably best to get rid
DeleteDear 23 year old BPD with sleezy boyfriend; sorry to hear that, really, all of it. You know that song "whats love got to do with it"? well, that "love" just aint gonna cut it. that ideal i believe you are chasing is just that, a beautiful sin-absolving ideal.. trust me. I'm a 20 yr old male who was raised by what, after many years in the furnace/cage and study, could be nothing more than a mother with BPD.. she's called the cops on me more times than i could fathom, and ive gotten to know nearly the entire police force in multiple towns. There came a point when i couldnt take it anymore. I still can't. I don't know if i ever will. I can't often enough discern others' intentions or psychological foreground any better than i can my own. I was sane, once. I could lie like a sociopath, once. But lately i've grown less intelligent, less in control. and as this might be due to my sporadic(im financially destitute) use of heroin over the past year following 2 years tweaking myself sexy, i think it strongly relays on the deterioration of my emotional stability via (a)deep significant emotional relationship(s). so what am i saying here if im responding to the desperate 23 yr old borderline? i feel bad for your fuckin boyfriend, but you need to get rid of him. take him for everything he has, strip the bastard of his skin if maybe then he'll feel a real tickle. take all is wealth(which is surely nonexistent) and accumulate/transmute it into one big pile of cash. then find a pathway where you dont have to feel this pain ever again. because each moment is an eternity, right? throw it all to the wind, this life holds nothing for the diseased but the ever-looming illusory idea of death, or true finality. get a bunch of drugs, lifes not worth it without them. seriously. nothing has made me more happy or filled with joy than the promise of not feeling anything at all. thoughts of death, murder, and suicide. plague the plague-bringers to the point where if they would just plague themselves, not only our insignificant and trouble-making existences would be efficiently shortened, but there would be no bad to spread.. other than the heartbreak of our families which is inevitable anyway.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, its been 5 weeks since i've done any hard drugs. I want to do them now more than ever, so badly its become extremely difficult to maintain proper manipulation, which i self-esteem for.
I od'ed a couple months ago and my sworn-brother pulled me out of it after he got the gas station attendant to unlock the bathroom door.. somehow he saved me.. and it was awkward thanking him. because i really wasnt grateful.
i dont expect anyone on here to give a rats ass, i am just surrounded by people constantly but am ever so alone. its maddening.
my names jake, i live in montana
my favorite band is the Mars Volta
my favorite singer is Gwen Stefani
Ok, one last thing. its a question that i would appreciate feedback on. what is with this chameleon thing? i am one myself, as i don't truly have my own personality, i am never the person in my dreams, and that person is never the same. also, i hate women and children and if i join any war those are my primary targets and meals. good day.
but really, what the hell, am i borderline or what? i cant seem to be honest with any psychologist no matter how hard i try, and when i try they just get baffled about how smart i am and like me so much they forget that i might be crazy. what does it matter, anyway? must we identify these traits that once identified, only create more trouble due to the awareness? blablablabla good night
Would you eat Gwen Stefani even though she is your favourite singer?
Deletelol, I forgot that I had bpd and diagnosed when I was a teenager. I have read most of these posts on this website and I was wondering...then why don't I just use people for their money instead of their emotions...because I have bpd lol. I mean I have some socio tendencies but nothing a doctor told me about then again i haven't seen one in years because I refuse to. But oh well.
ReplyDeleteSide not, I was in a relationship with a psychopath and didn't realize till a few months ago that he was one and asked him about it. He blatantly told me that he was, and was curious. So I kept in contact with him (he was well and still is obsessed with me, seeing as I manipulated him when I first met him and he can't get over how I did it.) But we actually went well together. Him not talking to me for months at a time I didn't mind. Me getting married and him trying to blame me for my destruction of him. blah blah blah...all that bs that he developed a tiny grinch heart as you can say. I thought it was humorous and his paranoid personality was quite amusing to be around.
But anyways, divorced and with a bf now, I am still figuring out how I think and well, have been for years not. And this site has helped me a lot so thanks for pointing me in the right direction and helping me remember a lot of things that I forgot due to abuse and neglect.
Also, side note: yes my IQ is 130, not the norm 140 as aspd. but still have my forms of manipulation that I have in my head.
Side note: I have adhd, was diagnosed as a teen as well, take adderal, and it obstructs my view on what is right and wrong and it makes me want to be alone more than usual. I developed this monotone sense of thinking if you can understand that. I I'm introverted and it has the effects on me like an anti depressant would on a paranoid. if you would understand that as well.
ReplyDeleteHey, I'm female, 20 and diagnosed with BPD and AsPD traits. I was diagnosed at 17, but I've always had this. Still in therapy sadly..
ReplyDeleteI've been told I'm a different borderline, as I don't feel remorse, guilt and rarely feel empathy. I do have a fear of abandonment, and I split others. I'm also very impulsive and irresponsible, angry. I'm currently dating a socio, and I have never been happier. Like another user has said, it has lifted me out of my depression. We both speak about our dark thoughts, and plan crimes together. We often act them out too. He's even stated he has been lifted from his depression as well. A part of me is aware it could be all an act, as we're no strangers to playing with people in relationships for amusement, but it feels completely right, in every aspect.
I know there are a lot of comments disputing the fact that BPD's and socio's are perfect for each other, but I think they are. They're a match made in heaven ;)
I'm intrigued what these crimes are you speak of?
DeleteHi! I have been diagnosed with BPD since I was about 16, but looking back I am aware that there were early signs of it starting in puberty. My first crush was on a girl...I have never had a strong sense of sexual identity and would have to say I am gay. My crushes on girls were always very intense, with me usually being shot down b/c I was accused of being over bearing, reading into things or being smothering/controlling. I always thought that I would handle these brush off's better as I recieved more and more of them. Nope. Not true. I began to re-invent myself accordingly to every situation of every crush so as to gain my way. Its all about me...its only about the other person (in a hot and heavy seductive way)just because of how it will make them think of me or pull them closer to me. At times I totally know I have been delusional and accused girls who were not even gay that they "were gay" and liked me...evident to the contrary....when dumped by my ex's I would go crazy, get threatened with restraining orders and repeatedly call text and check up on them...only to be nice, but when rejected I would go crazy and curse them out and threaten to kick their asses....then say sorry and want them. Its hell in a relationship...hell without one. I tend to not get into any b/c I know I will either sabotage it subconsiously or be expecting it to get sabotaged by the other person, thus reading into things and starting shit and then they shut me down. Its a hard thing to live with. I am currently recieving therapy for this. I alternate from highs and lows, which are usually driven by my love life. When involved w/someone I go loco and have been misdiagnosed with bipolar. I get high on love...manias...love to me is this thing so powerful that its like I begin to see hidden meanings, coincidences and parallels in the life of myself and the other person...I mean, I start talking about the position of the planets lining up and cosmic occurances that have never occured and positions of the planets that only occured since i met my new love...collaborative energies occur..I become highly artistic, existentialistic and begin talking about auras/tracers. Then I am so high on our relationship that I will get on lock down and just sit and think....like a fixation in silence along with all the other flight of ideas. its the most beautiful thing ever. Try taking it away....haha. I have been threatened with restraining orders, had tantrums and been severely depressed from rejection...its like taking my universe from me. Ok..enough said.
ReplyDeleteGeez that sounds exactly like me... the auras n shit.. it's not even during a relationships - just the tip of the iceberg of one blooming and im hallucinating and falling into madness.
DeleteI posted some months ago about my bpd tendencies and my sociopathic, extremely succesful businessman. Well, we are back together, as if we ever really weren't. Threee years on he is the only one who thrills me. By that I mean he never bores me or gives in to my manipulation so the challenge aspect is very interesting. I actually see now that in my younger years I had more bpd tendencies, whereas now my ways are more sociopathic. The development kind of grew. He acted as a mirror for me, seeing how he dealt with me, showed me how I deal with others and what effect I have on them. We are more similar than different. Being with him teaches me so much about myself because I get to see myself operating. I also can not complain about the hardships because what he mighht inclifct upon me, I myself, inflict on others constantly. We discuss our dark side together though he is more cautious. Quite useless of him, as he and I both know that I see who he is exactly. Well, takes one to know one. If one is attracted to a socio, then the odds are you have NPD, BPD or ASPD yourself. Fact.
ReplyDeleteI really think that NPD, BPD and ASPD's are joined together in their pursuit of the holy grail of all people with personality disorders which obviously is a desire to suck an erect penis of a whale just after it left another's whale's anus.
ReplyDeleteLets be clear about a few things.
ReplyDelete1) Borderline and sociopath are NOT the same.
The rehabilitation rate for borderlines who commit to therapy is exceptional, for sociopaths it is zero. This is because borderlines have a well-developed conscience. NOBODY cares as much as a BPD cares...we (yes we) will take on every bad/sad/angry emotion you have as being our fault, and feel guilty for it. But you can only take on so much guilt as a person. So you oscillate between thinking everything is your fault (idealisation phase), and trying to push it onto someone else so you don't drown (devaluation phase). If anything, our consciences are overdeveloped, not underdeveloped.
2) Borderline + sociopath = unmitigated disaster for the borderline.
I've been in a relationship with a sociopath. It was hell. Not so much at the time of course...when you are in a relationship as a BPD you want to reflect the person you are in a relationship with, and so you fall into chameleon mode. But even though it was my first relationship, some part of me felt it was...off. Thankfully I had the strength to move to another city, which allowed me to break it off, and get through the horror of the rejection cycle without being able to rush back.
Looking back, I can see how he used my own chameleon tendancies to bend me to his will. If I even expressed a desire for anything that didn't suit him, I was 'aggressive'. If I didn't want to play his disgusting sex games (which were all about giving him power), then I didn't understand that this is how sex is SUPPOSED to be...this is what you do if you love someone. I feel disgust with myself at everything I did, everything I was. There is a horrifying sense of abuse...even though it feels so undefinable...that I cannot shake, years later.
This makes sense. I have BPD (was diagnosed at famous psych hospital three years ago and it "clicked" like nothing else in my life ever had before). I've done a lot of therapy and learned how to behave in a way that allows me to function productively in life. I'm also better at managing my emotions.
ReplyDeleteThe BPD doesn't go away though. The diagnostic criteria behaviors can go away, mostly, but I'm still not neurotypical. I'm just not. It doesn't matter how much my behavior has changed.
I've often wondered why men seem to find me so attractive. I've never been single since age fifteen, and I can't think of a single male I've ever been friends with or slept with who hasn't fallen head-over-heels. It's really weird because they've all been really different from each other -- some with BPD, some with other issues, some very emotionally healthy, etc. They haven't had the same personalities as each other at all.
The man I'm with right now is a total Gryffindor (if you don't get the reference, for shame ;) and the sorting hat would know it from across the great hall, not needing to even touch the guy's head. He's all about honor, honesty, sticking by one's word. I'm the opposite of that. I'm a huge cheater (luckily he's poly so that fixes that), I lie whenever it seems justified to me (which is often), I don't think promises need to be kept just for the sake of keeping them etc.
I really can't fathom why he likes me. No, not likes. LOVES. Adores. Worships.
There *is nothing especially attractive about the core of me* (aside from smarts, I guess). I have no idea with this man finds me tolerable. I have actually molded myself to fit him better -- I've told him every awful thing I've ever done and then informed him of the lies I told when he and I first started talking. I've started telling the truth to everyone else. I tell him he's making me a better person, and I would like to believe it, but I don't think it's true. I think if he died today then I'd immediately stop being the person he loves.
I feel sort of guilty because what he sees as a unique experience in his life (intense attraction to and love for me that developed into love within the period of a week, after years of not feeling much for anyone since his last love, who was a far better woman than I, passed away) is an experience I've witnessed countless men having in response to me. He just happened to be the one I've fallen for too. What he felt wasn't the special thing. The fact that I felt it back is the special thing.
(I often feel intense rushes of emotion, but it's been at least five years since I loved someone in a way where I couldn't flip it off like a light switch when someone else shiny came along. And that time was really just me being weak and needy anyway.)
-LP
Are you sure you are not a Narcissist?
DeleteEvery man falls in love with you, every man adores you, on and on with how amazing you are...
I was just a few days ago Diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder, and put on medication, but my friend was telling me about Borderline Personality Disorder and it seemed to fit me as I read the signs, being abandoned by both my Mother (Who has tried to kill me for the last 16 years) and my Father who told my mom to tell my family he died of Overdosing and had recently contacted me, I where my emotions on my sleeve, and my life history and almost everything about me I would tell to anyone. I tend to use people, interact with them, try to manipulate them into telling me there life background and stories, observing them, only to cast them aside very quickly. I go through intense mood swings and I blackout when I get mad or angry. I tend to fixate though on a specific girl I like, they become my all, before I have even asked them out, sometimes before I have even known them for a week. I rely on my anger to push me, I go through intense bursts of hating myself and everyone around me to not wanting anyone to leave my side and becoming exceedingly egotistical. I have never been scuicidal but I have had scuicides in my family and have refused that option and have rejected it from my life. I have never been "close" to anyone for more than a few months, but blend in very well, liked by most people at my school because I tend to change subconscously depending on who is around me. The only thing that doesn't is my violent and aggressive side.
ReplyDeleteCan anyone tell me what you think i fit in as?
I'd guess eupd its just another name for bpd. My mum left me when I was a kid abandoned me my half bro and my half sis and proceeded to try put both of us up for adoption we ended up living with our dif dads. And my bro did go up for adoption. Luckily her dad was smart wealthy and lived in a big busy happy friendly house with the rest of his family unluckily for me I grew up with my dumb alco father who had fits of rage and did things like make me eat my own sick when he'd force feed me as a kid (sorry for the heavy deets) and I was v close with his mum thankfully so she balanced things out she kept him under control and I'd spend a lot of time at her house -not many friends- she was my soul mate and all I needed I think that's how I saw it. Mum meanwhile had 1 more boy with an abusive man and she kept him (he's since turned out to be much like me only 5 yrs younger). The tables turned on my dad when I was 12 I stop letting myself get bullied by HIM but I got bullied on my street for being weird by the rough kids got left out in primary school because I was too hyper / annoying. Got bullied in secondary school just because I was easy to pick on and maybe too loud and annoying sometimes but was still sort of part of the popular group, just the one they sometimes beat up and teased. I'm 21 now and went through a phase of beating up my dad breaking him down mentally in fits of rage but that's the only person I have that kind of anger with. Anyways, Went out with a guy who I now think has socio tendencies and he broke my heart when I realised 2 years in that he had been cheating on me the whole time almost monthly sometimes weekly yet pretending V V convincingly to be a loving boyfriend. You wouldn't believe the lies and lengths he went to. Cried like a child the first time I caught him out or at least tried don't think I saw tears then when I broke up with him he sent me one hard cold long text with the details of every time he cheated on me. I went into shock and was just glad I'd broken up with him. I had been insanely pathetically jealous and possessive of him though and even lied about being on the pill for 6months. I've since learned that's an uncool creepy thing to do.. it even freaks me out that I did it and makes me think not a huge surprise he lied for the whole rel. Finally made it to college made loads of new friends started increasing my intelligence which I'd missed out on coming from a homely country nanny and dumb dad. Of course I became an alco and a drug abuser just like my dad f'd it all up and had to drop out. 6 over doses throughout my life, self harming since I was 5 and many social failures later I get the diagnosis eupd borderline type. Don't know if u can tell from reading all of that (if u bothered) but I'm nothing like the female socio this site often mentions bpd's to be but I'm still text book perfect example of one so if u want to get a diagnosis go to professionals both private and public not online forums.
DeleteShould mention my bro who is just like me prob gets his personality from not growing up with his dad as I didn't with mum and also just from being around my mum she herself has a dif form of bpd I think-the more dark manipulative type. my other bro and sis are a little messed up too just not as much as us because they had a better upbringing. She also had an eating disorder and smoked occasionally while she was preg with us so that says a lot. Anyhoo.
DeleteI just recently found out my husband has aspd...is this treatable? I realize he would need to want the help or else it would be useless. What I'm trying to figure out is if I should leave or go? I love him and want to help him, but I'm so tired of the lies and being hurt emotionaly. I'm just numb at this point, trying to figure out what's tht next step. :/
ReplyDeleteI meant stay or go
DeleteHe was diagnosed as ASPD and he told you? That is some involved mind play if he did. I would suggest that if you have a healthy regard for others and relatively stable "healthy" emotions get out while you can, don't waste your life. Also read up on Cluster B personality disorders- both the traits of those with them and the average traits of those people who end up in relationships with them. Find out what it is that made you want this person (and still want them now even though you probably know deep down they don't care about you). Get help and move on. They cannot change fundamentally, no more than you can, though they can easily make you think this if you are naturally trusting of people and find it hard to understand how somebody could act in such an unhuman way.
ReplyDeleteUnless of course you have cluster B personality traits yourself. Somebody earlier wrote
"I think ASPD and BPD are made for each other, if I'm honest"
Almost certainly this is true.
He was diagnosed as ASPD and he told you? That is some involved mind play if he did. I would suggest that if you have a healthy regard for others and relatively stable "healthy" emotions get out while you can, don't waste your life. Also read up on Cluster B personality disorders- both the traits of those with them and the average traits of those people who end up in relationships with them. They cannot change fundamentally, no more than you can, though they can easily make you think this if you are naturally trusting of people and find it hard to understand how somebody could act in such an unhuman way.
ReplyDeleteUnless of course you have cluster B personality traits yourself. Somebody earlier wrote
"I think ASPD and BPD are made for each other, if I'm honest"
Almost certainly this is true.
I was involved with a severe sociopath, manipulative and devious in very subtle and shrewd ways though always blatant to anybody (personality disorder or otherwise) who can seperate fully emotions from thought whenever necessary. You know when somebody is being deceitful when they offer information in a discussion you didn't ask for, when they become defensive when you're not attacking them, - or if they present an "emotion" completely in words in a formulaic manner, almost as if from a script. For example everytime somebody with ASPD notices you might be suspcious of their devious manipulation and see you're genuinely upset theyll tell you something like "you're really important to me, I need you in my life" and they may say it in exactly the same way in many different situations. Also it may sound over the top and disingenous- emotional overkill. Because they've never felt a true emotion their actions may not entirely fit or feel natural to the situation -(unless they are extremely intelligent). The best way is to not look at the person saying it. Often if you love somebody you see their face and you may melt, you then don't rationally interpret the horrible twsited things the person with ASPD is saying. Try doing this during a heated moment, you may find yourself shocked. It may sound like a totally different person.
I was recently diagonsed with BPD, though I am now worried after reading more in to Cluster B personality disorders that I have a lot of characteristics of SPD. I hope this is not the case as it sounds like a dreadful condition to have. Can you be ASPD and it be unconscious, as you've fooled yourself over the years?
Though I can understand what it feels like to truly feel guilt, remorse, shame, joy, sadness, I have done so under very extreme circumstances, it isn't my natural state of affairs. I generally feel numb and have many different characters that I interchange unconsciously. I do not really care about others peoples welfare- not that I want to hurt them, but I wouldn't consider their feelings when I'm deciding on what I want to do. Though I do not actively manipulate.
I have started to worry lately as I've spent more time with this sociopath. I initially allowed him to manipulate me and went off the rails (which I do time to time often on my own) and was temporarily vulnerable and played this up to allow him to feel control over me. It wasn't 100% conscious and there was brief spell the game became reality- I was bessotted with him(love might be a stretch, I wanted to just be with him constantly as it felt great, like a drug, he gave me exactly what I needed and knew exactly how to make me feel good) and he manipulated me. Once I'd come back round the tables turned as I carried on with the vulnerability even when I wasn't feeling the least bit vulnerable. It is somewhat amusing to manipulate somebody with ASPD and it is easily done once you know how they operate. It will only ever be a game though. If you have more to get from life then leave him.
Well, my name is Ana. I'm 22 and started losing my f*** mind by 15. Wrecked complete havok, friends, family, bye bye bye... Self-destructive but not only towards myself. Wasn't good enough for me. Had to take everyone down with me. By 16. 17 was medicated but had no fucking idea what was wrong with me. and... 22 was finally diagnosed.
ReplyDeletei can say that... I dont have real emotions. They simply arent real. IT's all illusions. There's an illusion of the world, always as in my life ever since i was a child. It's like the dream world, wtv, where everyone is an eternal child, and everyone is good, and there's no evil in the world and tatata. Problem was when having to deal with the real world and people and situations that did not fit into my inner world, it was like a punch to the soul. I don't remember being happy as a child. I was not mean however I managed to get people in trouble, because if I wanted to really do something, I'd convince everyone to do it, due to the excitment of it being such an awesome idea, and shit would usually hapen. That's what was remotely close to happyness.
I wouldn't say I was hypersensitive in my early teens. It's just... Things had to go my way. Or I'd feel like shit about myself. I was a perfeccionist, and a bright kid. And then I started to gain conscience od the world around me. Which I did not have. And I realized I didnt fit. I didnt care about anyone, or anything. I cared about having fun, laughing. My mother has bpd. Agressive. She controlled my entire life. Everything I did, she chose what I had to study, what I had to dress, the friends I'd get to have. Which had not particullarly bothered me until I started to have that feeling of isolation. Everywhere. With everyone I was. Suddenly was as if nothing mattered, nothing was funny, nothing nothing. It was like suddenly I had conscience of that. I needed change, I craved for it and I couldn't have it. I looked at myself in the mirror and it was like staring at someone else. That wasnt me. I had no absolute contact with myself. I had been nothing but a pawn until then. That being being because my mother had been the only person allowed inside my inner world. To me she wasn't a person she was like this goddess, this perfect being. And suddenly not alone she wasn't perfect, she didnt fit in my world anymore. So I turned on her. Her, my whole family, my 'friends' (who werent friends, I had never developed any close relationships with anyone, was just fun and laughter purposes), I would kick everyone as far away from me as I could. I wanted to make the world into my world. And if it couldnt, then I'd rather there'd be no world. Basically I couldnt understand reality as it was, and I ran from it. If I had to I'd die before it got to me.
It's like this. We wont, and we get it. And if we dont we'll likely die trying.
We get insanelly attached to people. Mostly because the image we construct of them does not match reality. Reflects our desires. My inner world. I am very subcounscious. I see what I want to see (I've managed not to see people in front of me greeting me because I subcounsciously didnt want to).
ReplyDeleteI was for years in a push pull relationship with this guy. He had BPD too. It was not particullarly a good relationship. But I was fucking blind, until he almost destroyed me. Until the point I was crying in a classroom or looking at the computer trying to decide how i'd kill myself (of course I told him this xD). Well. It was good and bad. Because... a) we were alike after all. and we understood each other like no one else did. but... b) if we were wanting things that didnt match we would crash into war with each other very roughly. It was that fire that kept it going. Because I actually felt something. And it was f*** overwhelming. Then again, he would break up with me because he suddenly wanted to go chase someone else, I'd broke up with him for the same reason... And we kept getting back. But it was getting harsher everytime. So I decided to quit for good.
2nd relationship. The Schizo guy. Again. Must have been the person I loved the most in my life. Because I met him in his narcissistic phase and we were both smoking a lot of weed so all his crazy ideas appeared normal to me. Plus I had this idealization of him where he really was smarter and more awesome than anyone else. Again... The idealization thing. I was in love for months, we lived together, everything fine... And then I started to need change again. Said 'Hey, lets move' he said 'ok'. Then he started to think and think and think and to scare himself out of his brains and one day I called him and he pushed me away saying he thought we should just be friends. Of course by then I had already knew what he'd been doing and that he was going to see someone else, so... I just told him all I knew. He couldnt speak anymore xD Well the girl tried like hell to be like me, he manipulated her into it so... I won anyway xD
Still. I suffered like hell. I didnt know that kind of suffering was even possible. Only my parents knew because I had nightmares every night. Woke up crying looking for him in my sleep. Or burst into tears everytime I saw him talking to her in f*** facebook. No one else knew. Not even him. I hate it when I feel this bad. I hate myself for letting me get this attached to someone. But on the other hand... If I dont, I wont get to go to heaven, and float around in love while the illusion is good. It's more of an egoistic thing, I think. I just paint it pretty. I do it for myself, to make myself feel. Because it's so amazing to feel in love and hapy and all that sh** but... Then it's like a drug. You want more and more and more, and when you dont have it its like the worlds coming to an end.
3rd time's a charm they say... The sociopath. He painted himself as perfect. Completely perfect. Now we have the good part of this envolvment... We want to create the illusion that bad... But are also very mistrusting. Especially when we don't pick up any vibes xD He was great with words, touch and lies. I would have fallen except... It seemed too programmed, too perfect. So I pretended I had fallen. He started to not care enough to lie that well and forgot what lies he'd told. Plus.. His manipulative attempts were too drastic and killed the illusion. Was a good run though. He'd get me to his side, or at least falling a little into it, but I'd make him fuck up. So the illusion faded. Then he'd come to continue the game, and I'd illude again a little. And so on... Until I couldnt illude myself anymore. Which was a bummer cause now I ain't feeling shit again. Still, this was a good run. Great emotional trainning ahah. I could feel but not get attached though, what else can a girl ask for?
ReplyDeleteI let people see what I want them to see. If I want to have fun with someone, I'll be seen like the funniest coolest girl ever. If I hate someone, I'll make them hate me. If I want someone to love me, they will. If I want someone to feel sorry for me, they will too.
I test people though first. I show them what they want from me and test them through it. Bate them, watch how they behave, if they're behaviours match each other and the words. How likely will I be to get what I want... That sort of thing. Its kind of like a recently developped defense mechanism.
My 2nd... We had an intense emotional bond from the start. Were very empathic towards each other. That's why it felt so bad to let go. Because the odds of that happening again are remote.
The socio... Well it was the exact opposite. I couldnt read him so he intrigued me. After realizing I couldnt read him because there really wasnt much in the back to read in the first place... Lost interest. Challenge was over. There was nothing there for me to find.
I like the finding. And I like emotions. Feelings. Unconvering other's inconscient mind piece by piece and putting it in front of them. Understanding different heads from mine... Preferably deep complex minds. Its more of a challenge. It's how I've been keeping myself busy and emotional.
So... We got conection and understanding with self and others covered. And I think I've took a big step here towards emotional control. Cause its like cats, its a strong, rapid emotional impulse and it escalades like hell and it usually takes you. I compare myself to a boat in the sea. The tide is calm. Most of the time. Until you get bored like crap and want to stirr it. And when it stirrs, from all the calmness, the waves hit the boat like a fucking tsunami and destroy you. At least they do at first. From there you either apply your amazing manipulative capacities on your self or keep having identity crisis and having to rebuild the boat over and over again. You need to maintain the inner struture of the boat intact. And you cant do it because you provoke tsunamis, by incresing the illusion infinetely. You can adjust your sails, morphing yourself a little to the tide... But you cant let the tide take you. You can stirr the water and you should. But only to a level you can handle. And the most damage you get are some shabbs on the sails, and not the whole f*** boat going to hell.
ReplyDeleteWell. That's all for my conclusions after all these years. It's been crap. But I'm going to fucking make this disease an impulse forwards instead of an endless loop. I know I have the ability to. Just have to oblige myself to, instead of trying to change the world and others, trying to change the mind of the inner raw me. I'm trying to make sense of all my past and dealing with all the shit I should have dealt with these years, creating a rational positive though regarding it in my head and dogmatizng it and never thinkking about it anymore. And next challenge. Next step. Next. Always forward. But... with the experience from the past. And never forgetting all about it and get blinded by the moment. Let's see how it works =D
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ReplyDeleteThis article is a hilarious misconception I can't believe what I just read. BORDERLINE IS NOT THE FEMALE SOCIOPATHY!!!! Otherwise known as "emotionally unstable personality disorder borderline/impulsive type". You are referring to one v specific borderline when you say female socio. Actually often they have huge empathy both cognitive and physical and have v few narcissistic qualities at all. Right brain empath overly emotional (hence the name) bpd/eupd's are common too. I have eupd borderline type triple checked diagnosis for 2 years now and I can tell you I am the farthest thing from a female socio you will get. I'm nowhere near adequate enough for that haha if you met me you'd understand straight away. Borderline has many many subtypes and to say its on the lacking empathy spectrum alone is a mistake. A GIANT mistake.
ReplyDeleteOne of the hallmarks of BPD is the shifting of mindsets over time with a denial of previous mindsets at the time one is dominant. This is called identity diffusion...the person becomes split into different pseudopersonalities. In the case of the BPD, these are described in Deconstructive Dynamic Psychotherapy (a psychodynamic, evidence-based treatment for BPD) as the guilty perpetrator mode (I'm bad and beyond redemption. No one should care about me or help me.), the helpless victim mode (I'm good but helpless, there are bad others out there as well as potential ideal rescuers), the angry victim mode (I'm good but powerless and you're bad and victimizing), and finally the demigod perpetrator mode. In this fourth mode, borderlines are emotionally detached, engage in self-soothing behaviors, and often take advantage of others egocentrically. In this state of mind they do resemble sociopaths. But it is not the presence or absence of these traits that defines the disorder, but the rapid and sudden shifting from mode to the other. Sociopaths have more stability to their personality traits, rather than shifting from one to the next in response to interpersonal triggers.
ReplyDeleteWrong wrong WRONG. Thats just different mindsets of the SAME stream of person. You people need to take a good read of the European diagnostic manual and understand it before you talk about bpd. You need to take the term eupd into the equation too!! Cluster b personalities are "dramatic personalities" too not "lacking emotion". Bpd can swing either way.. it can occur in different personality types as opposed to causing one distinct type of personality that ranges in extremity. Like bpd/eupd can occur in anyone in your work/college not just the "dangerous manipulators". Manipulation manifests in HUGELY different ways in dif personalities.
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