Wednesday, February 25, 2009

Borderline personality disorder and sociopaths: one big empathy-challenged family

As sociopaths we all have a baby sister named Borderline Personality Disorder. (This woman has a real sister with BPD and wrote a book based partially on her experiences). I say sister because unlike sociopaths, who are primarily male, BPDs are primarily female. She's a little sister because on the danger/power spectrum of the empathy-challenged, she is closer to the aspie's and the autie's than the narcissists or sociopaths. But don't underestimate her -- she can be nefarious when she wants to be. Though she's more likely to steal a spouse than to steal $50B.

The BPD is a lot of things, but most interesting to me is the skill with which she sheds one skin after another. For narcissists the mirror is always pointed at themselves, but for BPDs the mirror is always pointed at others -- allowing those around them to see exactly what they want to see.* For instance, under the title Meet the Marriage Magnet, this self-confessed chameleon explains why she believes she received nine marriage proposals:
I was living like a trainee Stepford Wife

Young and still experimenting with my sense of self, I was happy to pursue their pastimes, agree with their politics, even wear clothes they liked.
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Besides, I find it easy to understand other points of view or problems and I get close to people quite quickly. I'm always interested in other people's hobbies, families and their lives - I suppose that's why I'm a writer.

This intimacy can be misinterpreted for a lot, lot more than mere curiosity. My boyfriends assumed I was smitten with them because I fell into the habit of moulding myself into their ideal.
A similar character can be found in Edith Wharton's short story "The Other Two," wherein the third and current husband of Mrs. Alice Waythone encounters the first two husbands by chance and is distressed to discover that these men -- who share nothing in common with him -- each had a relationship with his wife quite similar to his own. As professor Cynthia Griffin Wolff puts it:
To each and every one of these three quite different men, Alice Waythorne had been the perfect wife: eager to please, ready and willing to adjust her behavior and desires to those of her husband. Gradually, as Mr. Waythorne lets this fatal knowledge penetrate his judgment, the very qualities he had most admired in his wife begin to seem grotesque and deformed. He wonders who she is, wonders whether she is anybody at all in particular. He marvels at her personality, "for it was an art, and made up, like all others, of concessions, eliminations and embellishments; of lights judiciously thrown and shadows skillfully softened."
I have a friend who was married to a woman with BPD and had a similar lament -- he never knew who she was, or if what she felt was real. It makes me wonder -- even if sociopaths became truly harmless, would we ever be accepted? Or do our neurological differences represent an unbridgeable divide between us and empaths? If a Stepford wife-type creeps people out, do socios stand a chance?


*sociopaths are probably best described as being behind a two-way mirror.

29 comments:

  1. Interesting, I personally don’t have any experiences with Borderlines. The only Borderline I know is Homer Simpson. :)

    “even if sociopaths became truly harmless, would we ever be accepted?”

    I doubt that, but it would be nice, since I was recently diagnosed as sub-clinical psychopath and aspie. Yes I am both.

    The one thing I miss in this “article” is it doesn’t mention the self-mutilating behavior of BPDs.

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  2. I'm going to disagree that sociopathy and borderline personality disorder are similar, or even related. I know, because I am a sociopath with BPD, and the two conditions are markedly different despite a few superficially similar symptoms.

    Basically, borderlines have irrationally intense, badly regulated emotions (thus the move to rename the condition to emotional dysregulation disorder), whereas the sociopath typically has little emotional intensity. Before I developed borderline sometime in my late teens, I was almost without recognizable powerful emotion. I recall being puzzled by not even being able to feel love for my mother, and being generally unphased by things which should have bothered me.

    Not that BPD gave me the ability to love, at least not in the way most people think, but now everything phases me. I often swing between feeling worthless (for no real reason), and feeling arrogantly superior.

    There are similarities, both conditions lead to manipulation, promiscuity, impulse control problems and a poor ability to maintain relationships, but for different reasons. The borderline desperately seeks to control others to avoid negative feelings, to keep people from leaving her, or whatever, unlike to sociopath who manipulates dispassionately for her own gain. Naturally, I do both, though less of the former because I don't have a lot of abandonment anxiety (people rarely matter enough to me for me to worry they'd leave me, and my ego is too big).

    Similarly, relationships with borderlines tend to be turbulent and often end dramatically because of the borderline's splitting (alternating between seeing things and people as either all good, or all bad), extreme (and often irrationally expressed) fear of rejection, and generally hard-to-handle mood swings. Nothing turns guys off like being screamed at for almost no reason at all. The sociopath, on the other hand, is much more likely not to care about maintaining the relationship, and so hurts her partner. That, or her partner figures out she's not actually emotionally available.

    As an aside, the marriage chameleon who is so often proposed to does not seem typically borderline--a borderline woman is more likely to be in abusive relationships, or be used for sex, than to be seen as a good wife. Most of us can't keep it together long enough for a man to want to put up with us for the long haul.

    The other common symptoms are for similarly disparate causes, and there are a lot of differences, too. Like, borderlines do have empathy. In fact, extreme empathy and sensitivity to others is generally a symptom of borderline... and a good example of the weird way the two conditions mix. I do have some capacity for empathy, but unless I'm in an especially vulnerable headspace it's a very small capacity.

    Also, the reason for the sex differences does not suggest the two conditions (if you want to consider being a sociopath a condition, which it isn't, it's more of a personality type) are male and female versions of the same thing. Rather, the most likely cause is purely organic. Socopathy is more adaptive in men, in that male sociopaths are more likely to reproduce successfully because of their promiscuity and often numerous offspring (which end up being raised by the mother), while a female sociopath is less likely to have a lot of kids. More women are borderline likely because women are more prone to emotional intensity and empathy, both biologically and due to their socialization.

    So I would say that while the sociopath may be a two-way mirror, the borderline is a magnifying glass amplifying every little thing.

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  3. "sociopaths are probably best described as being behind a two-way mirror."

    That was perfect.

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  4. Borderlines are pretty much ruled by emotion, inappropriately applied emotion, and get really nasty when they don't know what to do about it. If they can, they turn it off, letting it burn them subconsciously, and go on their self- destructive way. They are self-preservers like sociopaths but don't mind hurting themselves to get satisfaction. They'll be sad whenever they hurt someone else, but they would rather just go ahead and wreak havoc whenever they feel like it and say sorry later. While they might be competitive and even methodical, they are not consistent enough in their behaviors to dedicate themselves to lots of systematic destruction, rather, sporadic explosive episodes are the main form of attack. Also, most of them probably feel evil and are bothered by it.

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  5. I have to wonder if you (the author) actually understand what BPD is. Could you give me a definition? Also, what do you mean by "sociopath"? Technically there isn't an agreed upon definition in the psychological world.

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  6. Father DearestNov 18, 2009 03:09 AM

    Brilliant. I just read this now. This is exactly as I would have put it.
    My ex-girlfriend was (and still is) a Borderline, and I found she understood me more than other people, and I felt I understood her to some degree whilst at the same time, not knowing her at all.
    In my experience, BPs are hugely empathetic. Too empathetic, at times. They use their abundance of empathy to understand people, they can become very important to people and then they will manipulate at will. Whereas I will manipulate someone and somehow understand that it is wrong, ergo other people wouldn't do it, she could manipulate someone and trick herself into thinking it was perfectly fine.

    I think ASPD and BPD are made for eachother, if I'm honest.

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  7. "I think ASPD and BPD are made for eachother, if I'm honest."

    I have BPD and I've been with a girl with ASPD for six years. Amusingly I believe you are right.

    It's torturous. I'm losing my sanity and I don't even trust my own perception of reality, or her words and actions.

    I'm a self-destructive borderline with masochistic tendencies. I would have to be wouldn't I, you'd have to be stupid to act like me.

    The awful thing is she's as lonely and as empty inside as me. If I don't pull her out of this (yes by being more manipulative than her) then she's always going to feel that way. I can't let her lead that kind of existance.

    PS - You've said borderline are sociopaths. I do have empathy and I do have a conscience. I won't cheat on her for my own satisfaction, but I can't say that I wouldn't hurt her. I'll do it to pull her out of her sad existance and I'll deal with the consequences.

    ASPD = sociopath.
    BPD = not necessarily a sociopath. Borderlines can have ASPD, but that is one particular subclass. Just like sociopath is one small subclass of psychopath.

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  8. I am dealing with a male who says he is diagnosed as a BPD yet I am wondering if he is just saying this to seem more pitiable, as Borderline personalities I think are reputed to feel their emotions too strongly, rather than not at all, be afraid of abandonment like a child and obviously self-hating (suicidal)... I believe he may be acting when he claims he is so sorry for how he hurts others and he wishes he could stop. He lives with a girl while continually finding other women online through dating websites or in person locally and lies to them about who he is, what he does, and how he feels telling every woman he likes that he is in love with them and wants to marry them and have a baby. He has a methodical and calculated approach to his seduction, using the same lines and tactics every time, pretending to be a Muslim with one girl and a Christian with another. When caught by one of these girls and perhaps concerned with that girl contacting the girl he lives with he 1. described himself as being sorry for what he does but unable to stop himself 2. describes himself as hating himself, women and god 3. claims he is suicidal and still wants to try a life with her and that she can have his baby before he dies...if she wants... however that is likely a lie to make her pity him and shift the attention from her pain to his and 4. claims that he once beat his ex wife and his sister 5. claims that he has done this his whole life 6. claims he initiates the end of the relationship when he chooses 7. claims the live in girlfriend knows what he does but pities him because he had such a hard childhood and he can't help himself, and she knows his true heart and loves him anyway. He claims he stays with her because she needs him and he has too much compassion to leave her and he doesnt sleep with her. But it is likely he is just extremely dependent on her financially and otherwise... oh, and he often gets people to give him money and says he will pay them back but never does. Is he a Sociopath trying to seem borderline or is he borderline?

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  9. i haven't properly read this thread cos i'm feeling like shit and can't be arsed. scuse the french. here's my two cents anyways. i'm lol, borderline borderline. ie. i fulfil most of the criteria but i'm at the low end of bpd. i'm young, female and also find men ask me to marry them when they've known me only minutes. bpd's are codependent creatures, no doubt about it and men like this. (ahem, socios). i won't deny i've been both cherished and dismissed as a kook by all and sundry. i'm not the manipulative type of bpd. but due to my emotionality i wouldn't put it passed me. but seriously, i'm too open and earnest and if i'm accused as such it is about the worst thing that can be done to me. i also don't do the 'threatening to kill myself to get a b and c' thing. i have clinical depression and can get self-destructive when my intense energy has nowhere to go ie. a nutty relationship or anything sensationally consuming at any given moment. chronic boredom and disinterest in the pedestrian (lucky)normalcy of the majority of this damn world means i am very drawn to sociopathic types. i am an uber-empath - right at the extreme end there - what fun. most people just don't GET IT. being misunderstood from age 0 upwards is a tedious alienating chore and what relief we can find in each other is a mercy and a great education too. i met my socio and it was the only time i'd been drawn out of my depression in nine years. i felt actually alive. not an effing zombie, but real. no one was to blame for how it ended but myself and i have nothing bad to say about sociopaths right at this moment. they are what they are. there is one in my family and of all of my family, he is the one who instills me with courage when i'm consumed with the fear that my parents instilled in me. i love him for that.
    i remember M.E saying that socios are intensely loyal (in the right circumstances) and I too am loyal to a point that it bypasses any rationale. to my friends and when i'm in love. however, I am excrutiatingly unreliable too, rendering that loyalty rather questionable in many, but not all cases. make sense? try being me.
    i don't trust myself, let alone anyone in the world. when i love, i have no desire to change the person to whom i am instinctually loyal to a single bit. maybe i'm just weird.

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  10. i haven't properly read this thread cos i'm feeling like shit and can't be arsed. scuse the french. here's my two cents anyways. i'm lol, borderline borderline. ie. i fulfil most of the criteria but i'm at the low end of bpd. i'm young, female and also find men ask me to marry them when they've known me only minutes. bpd's are codependent creatures, no doubt about it and men like this. (ahem, socios). i won't deny i've been both cherished and dismissed as a kook by all and sundry. i'm not the manipulative type of bpd. but due to my emotionality i wouldn't put it passed me. but seriously, i'm too open and earnest and if i'm accused as such it is about the worst thing that can be done to me. i also don't do the 'threatening to kill myself to get a b and c' thing. i have clinical depression and can get self-destructive when my intense energy has nowhere to go ie. a nutty relationship or anything sensationally consuming at any given moment. chronic boredom and disinterest in the pedestrian (lucky)normalcy of the majority of this damn world means i am very drawn to sociopathic types. i am an uber-empath - right at the extreme end there - what fun. most people just don't GET IT. being misunderstood from age 0 upwards is a tedious alienating chore and what relief we can find in each other is a mercy and a great education too. i met my socio and it was the only time i'd been drawn out of my depression in nine years. i felt actually alive. not an effing zombie, but real. no one was to blame for how it ended but myself and i have nothing bad to say about sociopaths right at this moment. they are what they are. there is one in my family and of all of my family, he is the one who instills me with courage when i'm consumed with the fear that my parents instilled in me. i love him for that.
    i remember M.E saying that socios are intensely loyal (in the right circumstances) and I too am loyal to a point that it bypasses any rationale. to my friends and when i'm in love. however, I am excrutiatingly unreliable too, rendering that loyalty rather questionable in many, but not all cases. make sense? try being me.
    i don't trust myself, let alone anyone in the world. when i love, i have no desire to change the person to whom i am instinctually loyal to a single bit. maybe i'm just weird.

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  11. i haven't properly read this thread cos i'm feeling like shit and can't be arsed. scuse the french. here's my two cents anyways. i'm lol, borderline borderline. ie. i fulfil most of the criteria but i'm at the low end of bpd. i'm young, female and also find men ask me to marry them when they've known me only minutes. bpd's are codependent creatures, no doubt about it and men like this. (ahem, socios). i won't deny i've been both cherished and dismissed as a kook by all and sundry. i'm not the manipulative type of bpd. but due to my emotionality i wouldn't put it passed me. but seriously, i'm too open and earnest and if i'm accused as such it is about the worst thing that can be done to me. i also don't do the 'threatening to kill myself to get a b and c' thing. i have clinical depression and can get self-destructive when my intense energy has nowhere to go ie. a nutty relationship or anything sensationally consuming at any given moment. chronic boredom and disinterest in the pedestrian (lucky)normalcy of the majority of this damn world means i am very drawn to sociopathic types. i am an uber-empath - right at the extreme end there - what fun. most people just don't GET IT. being misunderstood from age 0 upwards is a tedious alienating chore and what relief we can find in each other is a mercy and a great education too. i met my socio and it was the only time i'd been drawn out of my depression in nine years. i felt actually alive. not an effing zombie, but real. no one was to blame for how it ended but myself and i have nothing bad to say about sociopaths right at this moment. they are what they are. there is one in my family and of all of my family, he is the one who instills me with courage when i'm consumed with the fear that my parents instilled in me. i love him for that.
    i remember M.E saying that socios are intensely loyal (in the right circumstances) and I too am loyal to a point that it bypasses any rationale. to my friends and when i'm in love. however, I am excrutiatingly unreliable too, rendering that loyalty rather questionable in many, but not all cases. make sense? try being me.
    i don't trust myself, let alone anyone in the world. when i love, i have no desire to change the person to whom i am instinctually loyal to a single bit. maybe i'm just weird.

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  12. ok i know i've posted three identical comments. it was my plan. honestly. in the future event that i only want to post a comment once as is more traditional, could someone explain to me how to delete the two extra fucking comments!! ;) cheers.

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  13. christ this site is totally messing with me. how do i delete my two extra comments? anyone?
    wouldn't be surprised if this comment doesn't stick either.

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  14. i also found myself a narcissist and there was a palpable difference between him and the socio. i got NOTHING from the narc except abuse and that was BEFORE we ever slept together, which we never did cos i could never feel comfortable with him. hmm wonder why?
    socios give, superfically or whatever, but you get something. and is it me or do narcissists have the most dire lack of sense of humour? about themselves certainly.
    anyway, i'll stop babbling...i'm just tired.

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  15. Ugh. this website is hard to be a part of with so many people diagnosing themselves and obviously making shit up for attention.. but I'm diagnosed by a DOCTOR (yes i have it on paper)with BPD and for a long time i questioned the diagnosis to the extreme because i seemed to NOT have empathy for anyone or anyhting i did with the exception of a few people or situations. people told me i appreared unable to feel anything at all. but the same doctor that diagnosed me assured me that that was a defense i put up (in result of shame and abuse) in order to block out the strong and painful sadness for the way i treated others and how i couldnt control it. and when i became aware of that, i started realizing it to be true. the subconcious mind is amazing.

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  16. Going to disagree with Page I think it was (the bpd and aspie) Being a borderline myself I can tell you that yes we are "marriage chamelions" as one of the symptoms of borderline is a need for acceptance, and manipulation, we do get into relationships with many people very quickly and most of the time its not one at a time, so no, not that hard to as you put it "keep it together" I don't know if you are truly a borderline or not, but u are definitely starved for attention and grandiose and speaking on things you obviously don't know about. The reason men are more often aspie is genetic and social, they're taught to be strong and not show weakness and for someone that is playing a constant chess match with life they cannot lose control, inherently boys are told from a young age to shake it off... girls on the other hand become borderline again genetics play a role but environment is bigger, girls are taught that they are pretty princesses and daddy little girl, etc attention, attention. So as an adult they do what seek attention Nd act out sexually to get it with poor impulse control in all areas of their life cuz hey sex doesn't pay the rent unless Ur hooken so they get attention from friends they have to buy cuz of they mood swings with trips to the mall and lunch out and if the old friends are fed up well then we will go buy new ones! No aspie is not the same as borderline!

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  17. Oh yeah n another thing about borderline, one of my diagnosing factors was when my doc found out I cut not for suicide but for the release, then there is the chronic suicidal ideation, and a whole lot of other things that my doctor put into diagnosing me. I M not saying that there is no way that you could not be borderline and aspie Page but I am saying probably not since aspie has limited to no emotional response from what I have read and been told. And I have had to do extensive research being that my father is a diagnosed sociopath, and I have a 11 year old son who has what we believe to be bipolar, but with the family history and genetic factors I am not taking ANY chances!

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  18. I once read that women manifest as borderlines and males typically manifest into ASPD.

    I will say that my dad is aspd (wouldn't go as far as saying that he's a sociopath/psychopath though)- but he was in prison for 10+ years, so he wasnt the most upstanding citizen lol.

    Anyway, we're just alike. I'm diagnosed borderline- which there wouldn't be a doubt even if I wasn't diagnosed. And I'm pretty sure my mom is borderline.

    I kind of border between them. I'm not as emotional as my mom, but I can fly into a rage like no one's business. But at other times, I have no emotional reaction.

    Anyway, just commenting on whoever above mentioned about aspd and borderlines being made for each other. Didn't work out for my parents- they reacted a bit to violently to one another, but as far as me personally- my ex-boyfriend had aspd (and strongly suggested p/s traits) and I will say that he has up til this point been the ONLY person I've ever truly been able to connect with and be comfortable around.

    It didn't work out due to my pushing and pulling and inevitable unraveling, but he made me feel the most alive than I ever have in my entire life, and I'm pretty convinced at this point that that feeling is something that I will only be able to get from someone who is like me- or the male mirror of myself; so yeah- I agree that borderlines and anti-socials are the perfect match. Anybody else would just be way too boring. I need someone who speaks my language. :)

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  19. I have book marked this website, because all the articles are those which always sparked my interest, though can't read them in a go but still trying to learn as much as I can.

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  20. I was diagnosed as having BPD when I was 17. I'm 32 now, and not nearly as much as a train wreck as I used to be. IDK if that diagnose describes me anymore or not. I do know I am abnormal, or to put it in a nice term, an "eccentric." Due to a really bad speech impediment, I never learned how to be a sociable person. I feel stunted socially, if that makes any sense. I have no friends whatsoever, and 99% of the time I am not bothered by not having friends. Other times, I wish I had somebody to call me to go party with on a Friday night. I have had a boyfriend or husband since I was 17. Finding a partner has never been difficult for me. I am physically attractive, and due to my weirdness, most guys find me fascinating. They never get bored with me, as the husbands of "soccer moms" do. Yeah, I'm a real roller coster ride. But goddamn, I have an intense fear of abandonment.

    -Marian

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  21. I have abolsute BPD tendencies as an attractive, intelligent, emotionally volatile women. The love of my life is a sociopathic tycoon, he embodies the dark triad. We have an almost telepathic link and kindred spirit. It's frenetic. Our dis-eases fit perfectly into eachother. A yin and yang. I guess some of us aren't made for The Brady Bunch. God, how I miss him.

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  22. My three best female friends (all at different times) were borderlines. I suddenly "abandoned" all three of them when they became annoying to me and were no longer useful. I have often wondered what attracted these people with BPD to me. Perhaps because I completely ignored their hacked up arms and legs in my not really giving a damn about them at all. They were basically pawns, and almost partners at times, in havoc.

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  23. I am a 23 year old borderline female and in a relationship with a 30 year old made socio. He has lied to me about EVERYTHING, and i mean EVERYTHING> for which i have no reason, he knows i could care less about his age, or some girl he slept with before he even knew me. But he cannot help but lie, lie, and lie some more. He lies so much he believe his own bullshit. Last night we got into a huge fight resulting in him abusing me and me calling the cops. We have not talked since, i have no idea whats going to happen. My "SANE" and rational brain knows i deserve so much better, and is very scared of him. Yet my emotions are so strong, i dont want to let go, and am afraid we will never talk again. Until yesterday it hadnt stumbled upon e that he has ASPD. I have been educated alot with therapy being that Ive know im borderline for 4 years now.
    Its crazy because we have had such amazing times together, and were really in love so much that everyone could tell. But my borderline pushes me to seek the truth out with him because i would rather abandon him then have him to me later. Or something else dangerous happen. Whether it be him causing harm to me, or me to myself :/...
    I dont know what to do?!
    My borderline sense that he needs my love and help.....JESUS I HATE THIS life sentence disorder....
    please helo ??

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  24. Dear 23 year old BPD with sleezy boyfriend; sorry to hear that, really, all of it. You know that song "whats love got to do with it"? well, that "love" just aint gonna cut it. that ideal i believe you are chasing is just that, a beautiful sin-absolving ideal.. trust me. I'm a 20 yr old male who was raised by what, after many years in the furnace/cage and study, could be nothing more than a mother with BPD.. she's called the cops on me more times than i could fathom, and ive gotten to know nearly the entire police force in multiple towns. There came a point when i couldnt take it anymore. I still can't. I don't know if i ever will. I can't often enough discern others' intentions or psychological foreground any better than i can my own. I was sane, once. I could lie like a sociopath, once. But lately i've grown less intelligent, less in control. and as this might be due to my sporadic(im financially destitute) use of heroin over the past year following 2 years tweaking myself sexy, i think it strongly relays on the deterioration of my emotional stability via (a)deep significant emotional relationship(s). so what am i saying here if im responding to the desperate 23 yr old borderline? i feel bad for your fuckin boyfriend, but you need to get rid of him. take him for everything he has, strip the bastard of his skin if maybe then he'll feel a real tickle. take all is wealth(which is surely nonexistent) and accumulate/transmute it into one big pile of cash. then find a pathway where you dont have to feel this pain ever again. because each moment is an eternity, right? throw it all to the wind, this life holds nothing for the diseased but the ever-looming illusory idea of death, or true finality. get a bunch of drugs, lifes not worth it without them. seriously. nothing has made me more happy or filled with joy than the promise of not feeling anything at all. thoughts of death, murder, and suicide. plague the plague-bringers to the point where if they would just plague themselves, not only our insignificant and trouble-making existences would be efficiently shortened, but there would be no bad to spread.. other than the heartbreak of our families which is inevitable anyway.


    Anyway, its been 5 weeks since i've done any hard drugs. I want to do them now more than ever, so badly its become extremely difficult to maintain proper manipulation, which i self-esteem for.

    I od'ed a couple months ago and my sworn-brother pulled me out of it after he got the gas station attendant to unlock the bathroom door.. somehow he saved me.. and it was awkward thanking him. because i really wasnt grateful.

    i dont expect anyone on here to give a rats ass, i am just surrounded by people constantly but am ever so alone. its maddening.



    my names jake, i live in montana

    my favorite band is the Mars Volta
    my favorite singer is Gwen Stefani


    Ok, one last thing. its a question that i would appreciate feedback on. what is with this chameleon thing? i am one myself, as i don't truly have my own personality, i am never the person in my dreams, and that person is never the same. also, i hate women and children and if i join any war those are my primary targets and meals. good day.



    but really, what the hell, am i borderline or what? i cant seem to be honest with any psychologist no matter how hard i try, and when i try they just get baffled about how smart i am and like me so much they forget that i might be crazy. what does it matter, anyway? must we identify these traits that once identified, only create more trouble due to the awareness? blablablabla good night

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  25. lol, I forgot that I had bpd and diagnosed when I was a teenager. I have read most of these posts on this website and I was wondering...then why don't I just use people for their money instead of their emotions...because I have bpd lol. I mean I have some socio tendencies but nothing a doctor told me about then again i haven't seen one in years because I refuse to. But oh well.

    Side not, I was in a relationship with a psychopath and didn't realize till a few months ago that he was one and asked him about it. He blatantly told me that he was, and was curious. So I kept in contact with him (he was well and still is obsessed with me, seeing as I manipulated him when I first met him and he can't get over how I did it.) But we actually went well together. Him not talking to me for months at a time I didn't mind. Me getting married and him trying to blame me for my destruction of him. blah blah blah...all that bs that he developed a tiny grinch heart as you can say. I thought it was humorous and his paranoid personality was quite amusing to be around.

    But anyways, divorced and with a bf now, I am still figuring out how I think and well, have been for years not. And this site has helped me a lot so thanks for pointing me in the right direction and helping me remember a lot of things that I forgot due to abuse and neglect.

    Also, side note: yes my IQ is 130, not the norm 140 as aspd. but still have my forms of manipulation that I have in my head.

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  26. Side note: I have adhd, was diagnosed as a teen as well, take adderal, and it obstructs my view on what is right and wrong and it makes me want to be alone more than usual. I developed this monotone sense of thinking if you can understand that. I I'm introverted and it has the effects on me like an anti depressant would on a paranoid. if you would understand that as well.

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  27. Hey, I'm female, 20 and diagnosed with BPD and AsPD traits. I was diagnosed at 17, but I've always had this. Still in therapy sadly..

    I've been told I'm a different borderline, as I don't feel remorse, guilt and rarely feel empathy. I do have a fear of abandonment, and I split others. I'm also very impulsive and irresponsible, angry. I'm currently dating a socio, and I have never been happier. Like another user has said, it has lifted me out of my depression. We both speak about our dark thoughts, and plan crimes together. We often act them out too. He's even stated he has been lifted from his depression as well. A part of me is aware it could be all an act, as we're no strangers to playing with people in relationships for amusement, but it feels completely right, in every aspect.

    I know there are a lot of comments disputing the fact that BPD's and socio's are perfect for each other, but I think they are. They're a match made in heaven ;)

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  28. Hi! I have been diagnosed with BPD since I was about 16, but looking back I am aware that there were early signs of it starting in puberty. My first crush was on a girl...I have never had a strong sense of sexual identity and would have to say I am gay. My crushes on girls were always very intense, with me usually being shot down b/c I was accused of being over bearing, reading into things or being smothering/controlling. I always thought that I would handle these brush off's better as I recieved more and more of them. Nope. Not true. I began to re-invent myself accordingly to every situation of every crush so as to gain my way. Its all about me...its only about the other person (in a hot and heavy seductive way)just because of how it will make them think of me or pull them closer to me. At times I totally know I have been delusional and accused girls who were not even gay that they "were gay" and liked me...evident to the contrary....when dumped by my ex's I would go crazy, get threatened with restraining orders and repeatedly call text and check up on them...only to be nice, but when rejected I would go crazy and curse them out and threaten to kick their asses....then say sorry and want them. Its hell in a relationship...hell without one. I tend to not get into any b/c I know I will either sabotage it subconsiously or be expecting it to get sabotaged by the other person, thus reading into things and starting shit and then they shut me down. Its a hard thing to live with. I am currently recieving therapy for this. I alternate from highs and lows, which are usually driven by my love life. When involved w/someone I go loco and have been misdiagnosed with bipolar. I get high on love...manias...love to me is this thing so powerful that its like I begin to see hidden meanings, coincidences and parallels in the life of myself and the other person...I mean, I start talking about the position of the planets lining up and cosmic occurances that have never occured and positions of the planets that only occured since i met my new love...collaborative energies occur..I become highly artistic, existentialistic and begin talking about auras/tracers. Then I am so high on our relationship that I will get on lock down and just sit and think....like a fixation in silence along with all the other flight of ideas. its the most beautiful thing ever. Try taking it away....haha. I have been threatened with restraining orders, had tantrums and been severely depressed from rejection...its like taking my universe from me. Ok..enough said.

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  29. I posted some months ago about my bpd tendencies and my sociopathic, extremely succesful businessman. Well, we are back together, as if we ever really weren't. Threee years on he is the only one who thrills me. By that I mean he never bores me or gives in to my manipulation so the challenge aspect is very interesting. I actually see now that in my younger years I had more bpd tendencies, whereas now my ways are more sociopathic. The development kind of grew. He acted as a mirror for me, seeing how he dealt with me, showed me how I deal with others and what effect I have on them. We are more similar than different. Being with him teaches me so much about myself because I get to see myself operating. I also can not complain about the hardships because what he mighht inclifct upon me, I myself, inflict on others constantly. We discuss our dark side together though he is more cautious. Quite useless of him, as he and I both know that I see who he is exactly. Well, takes one to know one. If one is attracted to a socio, then the odds are you have NPD, BPD or ASPD yourself. Fact.

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