Monday, December 7, 2020

Arya and Frances on Identity Next Zoom on Willpower

 Great conversation today with Arya and Frances about identity -- what in their experiences identity means now vs. their past, what has helped in terms of getting a stronger sense of identity, and personal boundaries. 

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Topic: Arya, Elsa, Arthur on Willpower

Time: Dec 13, 2020 11:00 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)

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  1. Interesting, it seems to me that there are two parts of indenty; What the person sees as identity for themselves and what others see as a persons identity. It seems that the closer these two view points are the more settled and secure the indenty is. Most people seem to have one identity from around puberty to young adulthood. The behaviours stem automatically from that identity. This builds the consistent intentions. Lacking that fusion of identity to create a sense of self results in a lack of selfhood.

    It does not help that we have so many labels. In the past people who were different were excepted called "having a personality" now our cultures are almost sociopathic unable to relate to the individual only groups. This in my view cause conflict and excessive offence. As you say ME we have boundary issues as individuals and as a society in general.


  3. Apologies will miss the live session tonight. Will review the recording back to live attendance next week.

  4. I've been watching talks by Sadhguru, and I think his teachings are very sociopathy-friendly.

    "What is it that will be of enduring value for you, not for somebody else, for you? You don't have to build a personality for that. You strive for that. The necessary persona will come.

    You must understand what a personality is. The word personality comes from the word 'persona'. 'Persona' means in Greek or in Latin, I'm sorry, is a mask. This is a mask that they used to use in old theaters. Now the same people will be playing many roles. Let's say Ramyan is happening. You have to play Rama's role also and Sita's role also and Lakshman's role also. For everything there's one mask. You hold this mask and speak like Rama, keep it down. Hold this mask and speak like Sita, keep it down. Hold this and speak like Hanuman and keep it down. This is how the plays were done. So it is those masks which were referred to as persona.

    So personality means, you held a mask and mask got stuck to your face. You couldn't pull it out. That means you have a personality. Personality is something that people are trying to develop because they have no sense of being. Instead of the real thing, you're trying to concretize the fake thing. If you are in touch with your being, why do you want a personality? It's not necessary. You can be a different kind of personality in different places. You are, actually already, or are you stuck with one personality?

    Some people are. People who are simplistic in their head have only one personality. Others have different personalities in different areas of life, isn't it?

    Personality is something that you have taken on. But you have become so unconscious about it that you think is for real. You are asking how to 'develop', that means you're making it up, right? Another word for developing is making up, isn't it? You're making it up.

    Make it up whichever way is suitable for your kind of activity, but you must be able to keep it down. If it gets stuck to your face, then it becomes misery.
    Then all suffering will come to you. You can take on any kind of personality but when you want to keep it down, you must be able to keep it down. This is what meditation is for you. Every day when you sit, you strip yourself down. You don't have to do anything about it. If you sit there simply... See... Anything that's made up needs constant support from you, isn't it? Suppose you tell a lie, it needs constant support to keep it up, isn't it? But if something is true, you can even forget it, but it's still there, isn't it?

    Your personality is a lie, your being, your existence is the is the truth. You don't have to keep this up. This will be anyway there. What you make up, for the sake of the society, to function in the society, you need a certain kind of makeup.

    You must be able to keep it down."



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