I was thinking recently about why I am oddly so tolerant. It's a great trait to have, particularly in the law when there are some clients with very very good cases who are very very bad people.
I thought one reason might be that we're just a little colorblind when it comes to social norms and morality. A very popular post for people finding this website is the one about love. A controversial segment in that post is where I say that sociopaths can often appreciate certain traditionally undervalued segments of the population at closer their true value than normal people do. I actually have forgotten why it's controversial. Maybe because some people make a moral judgment on that and think that I am arguing that sociopaths are out there doing good amongst the populace like some sort of superhero. But sociopaths are more like stock value traders or contrarians. The price of a stock is the price that the market values it (the price at which there are people both willing to buy and sell at the same price). But the value of a stock is based on how much the actual corporation is worth. It's quite possible to have a valuable stock that is underpriced, just as it is quite possible for society to undervalue a person. A sociopath naturally sees these areas as potential opportunities for arbitraging, or taking advantage of the gap in something's price and its value in another context.
But I also think there is another reason why some sociopaths may be this way is a related belief -- that all humans have value because it often is true and in any case it would be difficult to falsify. That is, assume that humans have value because a lot of people have had some value in the past and it's really hard to know ahead of time which are going to turn out to be fruitless. I think a theme of this is being expressed in this recent comment from an old post:
That actually bothers me in people, how easily I can see something from another's point of view, free of judgement and prejudice but other people can be so quick to criticize an idea just because they don't agree. They don't consider the possibility that they might be wrong but somehow the sociopaths that consider ideas as radical as Hitler's, Marx's or Stalin's on equal ground as democracy, freedom of speech and habeas corpus are the villains, for being impartial. People, jeez...
I thought one reason might be that we're just a little colorblind when it comes to social norms and morality. A very popular post for people finding this website is the one about love. A controversial segment in that post is where I say that sociopaths can often appreciate certain traditionally undervalued segments of the population at closer their true value than normal people do. I actually have forgotten why it's controversial. Maybe because some people make a moral judgment on that and think that I am arguing that sociopaths are out there doing good amongst the populace like some sort of superhero. But sociopaths are more like stock value traders or contrarians. The price of a stock is the price that the market values it (the price at which there are people both willing to buy and sell at the same price). But the value of a stock is based on how much the actual corporation is worth. It's quite possible to have a valuable stock that is underpriced, just as it is quite possible for society to undervalue a person. A sociopath naturally sees these areas as potential opportunities for arbitraging, or taking advantage of the gap in something's price and its value in another context.
But I also think there is another reason why some sociopaths may be this way is a related belief -- that all humans have value because it often is true and in any case it would be difficult to falsify. That is, assume that humans have value because a lot of people have had some value in the past and it's really hard to know ahead of time which are going to turn out to be fruitless. I think a theme of this is being expressed in this recent comment from an old post:
That actually bothers me in people, how easily I can see something from another's point of view, free of judgement and prejudice but other people can be so quick to criticize an idea just because they don't agree. They don't consider the possibility that they might be wrong but somehow the sociopaths that consider ideas as radical as Hitler's, Marx's or Stalin's on equal ground as democracy, freedom of speech and habeas corpus are the villains, for being impartial. People, jeez...
Each and every single person on this planet is a beautiful micro-expression of the greater whole of humanity. There most certainly is something intensely beautiful to be found within everyone, even if that's the most "negative" quality about them; if you scrutinize it enough, something positive can definitely be found in that so called "negative" quality. I most definitely agree, we psychopaths are very good at finding the diamond in the rough when we peer into people's inner being.
ReplyDeleteOn a different note, I spoke with a social worker with a degree in teaching and had a excellent constructive conversation with him, and he started the conversation disagreeing with me about how beneficial decriminalizing all crime and abolishing the criminal justice systems is, and ended the conversation (could I attribute this to my ability to captivate, charm, and enchant people by painting a profound work of art within their minds, or was it simply my intelligent reinforcement of my proposal with objective facts about reality? Perhaps a bit of both) with him being in complete agreement with me. We went on to talk about the inadequacy of our education systems; something I covered in the prior topic was that if we want people to develop enough intelligence to make responsible decisions for their community instead of perpetuating injustice by violating others, we would take all the money being greedily sucked up by the criminal justice systems that cycles criminals through the system (inflicting someone with the "criminal" label damages their image for life, effecting their ability to seek employment and away from indulging in criminal activity that often happens because they're trying to make ends meet in the first place) for more money and instead use that money to revitalize our education systems to better educate our children to have better intelligence and consequently have a greater deal of future adults who are intelligent enough to make proper responsible decisions that are prosocial.
ESTP Sociopath
I'm interested in that idea of arbitrage. I understand how it might work even though it's very different from the way my mind naturally operates.
ReplyDeleteI'm direct because I'm lazy; meaning it's easy for me to be open to anyone and their capacities. I also enjoy allowing people to surprise me with who they are and what their personalities offer.
Yes, opening our minds to the broader picture of reality does great wonders for us. With that, people begin to have greater ability to relate to others at least on a intellectual level and thus have greater solidarity within society. Being more open to people is a sure sign of a greater mind, North. That's part of what I like about you, North, as I think this quality within you has led to many useful constructive conversations between the two of us.
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Thankyou ESTP Sociopath.
DeleteI pondered this for a while and I wondered if it's a reason **-* overestimated his hold on me ie I was curious and exploring, relishing my liberty, while he may have been thinking I was being completely fooled by his manipulations. I did say to him that he only manipulated me as far as I wanted to go and I hold this to have been the case.
And I wonder, too, about his understanding of my love for him. So much of it was for the 'package' I saw of him: his long, clever fingers, his surprising mind, the beauty of his creations and his theatre, his confidence and fluidity, his flowery speech and quiet nature, his zen-like calm, and the mystery I saw in his being. The mask he put on was a super-added bonus, but when I think of him, it's all those more static elements that really slayed me.
Do you think he could conceive of being loved for those things? Somehow - based on his relief the first time I was with him and his final running away - I feel he thought I loved the mask he created; that everything hinged on that.
What do you think?
I'm feeling a bit sad this week because I was in the office and had a couple of missed calls over two days from 'No Caller ID'. It reminded me that he used to call me like that every day.
It's such a slow process. I'm trying to get a new job - for other reasons, but I think it would also help to be out of that environment.
I read Duality's comment below and, you know, it's the same for me. Learning about yourself and taking care of yourself as an adult makes life a (comparative) breeze! He makes things soooo complicated; I mean the energy he expends on convulutions is crazy. Why doesn't he just ask for what he wants instead of having these elaborate games that even he gets bored of? It seems so strange and unnecessary to me. Maybe it's a power thing. But even power is an overhead more often than not.
You're right. It is a slow process.
DeleteBut nothing worth having is easy! I know you'll heal yourself, no matter how much it takes. It may take a month, or maybe a year, but you're strong and resourceful! It's just a (minor) setback on your journey...
Just the fact that he run away proves that you're "stronger" than him, and that's all you need to know about his "power" ;-)
North I understand what you mean. Why not just ask? I wonder what in the world they actually want and I believe the answer is they don't know. I remember the strange things they said thrown in amongst the mundane. There was so much more going on with them.
DeleteAlso dualitys post made so much sense to me. I believe so much of the rage and contempt sociopaths feel stems from the energy they put forth mirroring others. They never quite get what they expect -and I believe that leads to great disappointment on their part. Their game is flawed from the get go. They always think next time will be different. They are a slave to their game in that way.
DeleteDesiring and being desired. I think sociopaths miss out on that initial being desired. They would have to lose control to experience it. They would have to be both aware and unaware of themselves. I do feel bad for sociopaths in this regard. I think it would change things for them.
DeleteSome people "mirror" others to fit in, be liked & accepted. That's "non-socio" mirroring I guess. It's less likely to work also (at least from my personal experience years back). Psycho / socio mirroring is deliberately trying to seduce someone by pretending to be someone they're not (and is usually more effective in the short run). Those with sane minds will clearly notice the difference. I believe Duality was describing non-socio mirroring as I've labeled it above.
DeleteMost people fall for socio mirroring and dislike non-socio mirroring because they think it's ill-intended (so they're ignorant when they're actually being used and puff up and criticize those who are genuinely trying to just fit in).
DeleteI am the opposite: I can appreciate the non-socio mirroring. It's not advisable in my opinion but it comes across to as innocent, a sign of loneliness and sometimes it's cute.
Incidentally that's why I liked my "friend" a lot. I thought his was a "non-socio" mirroring. We were business partners and soon enough he - the manager - went off track coming up with one idea after another instead of solving problems in the company we did have. Normally I would not have put up with that after a while but this was personal: I saw at as his insecurity and his attempts to convince me that's he's still smart and capable. I tried several times to give him the hint that I think he's smart & capable as he is - I didn't think that because of his business ideas but rather from his ability to reason & think clearly (on the few occasions he did, more so in the beginning). If a person can show genuine intelligence even once, it shows they're capable but dormant. Unfortunately I think he lost it after - getting more and more psycho. He thinks I don't know him because I don't - lest I hurt his feelings or come across as conceited - shove everything in his face. Now he is psycho mirroring, coming up with one fantastic lie after another which is sad because him less all the BS, less all the ideas, less the facade - the pure him without any need to show his superiority or specialities is just the person I thought was so beautiful and likeable. Alas, pride will destroy it's victims.
I'm starting to think it's more than that. Some people have a fear of exposing their true self (I used to be one of them). Everyone has some part of themselves which they hide but with him, my "friend," I think he has a deep-rooted hatred for his true self. I really am starting to think that. He's become something completely opposite of his original, pure self and may just detest the thought of seeing himself as the gold that I saw in him. Not surprising I do that - I can see myself as the opposite of what I am now. It'll be fun, exciting, people will "worship" me, yadda yadda yadda. Only when I look back from where I am now, I not only lose respect for myself but I see something incredibly stupid (let alone immoral). For a fleeting short life, I will delude myself into thinking I'm so powerful and yes while it will give me pleasure and a false sense of power but what happens when my time is over? A young new fresh meat comes and I'll be sidelined. Then of course I die and I've lost God's endless bounty and probably earned his wrath. Nope - this kind of "personal growth" and "independence" and "loving yourself" I'm much happier and content without. I don't have the credulity nor the mental deficiency to fall for and mat God protect me so long as I'm alive.
DeletePeace.
Lol he would tell me about his past sexual experiences (who knows how much was true but I always assumed it was) unwarranted - in hindsight I see why. Couple of times I mentioned some people I might be interested in - you know something you do with a friend: share your experience and seek advice - and I stopped when I sensed that it bothered him. I couldn't understand why then. I used to think "If he's got such a rich sex life as he claims, why's he uncomfortable if sometimes I bring up something intending to get advice (without clearly asking...embarrassing)"? I refused to believe what my heart told me: he likes you. He's experienced and if that were really the case, he'd know how to handle it without it letting it bother him. Besides, he'd tell me.
DeleteHe's still up to his tricks. He probably won't understand most of what I wrote because he'll think, like him, I'm lying to get to "my goal." That's what's really pathetic. What does he have (other than his buried heart) that I want or need? Even if I wanted it, what does he have that HE KNOWS I didn't already have ample opportunities to get? No, he's well aware that I don't want any of it so then he decided to try to get me to turn into a sellout. I've tried to get him out of the pit out of love and he's tried - and is trying - to bring me in out of lust.
So people, you see why lust is a deadly sin? And I haven't (and won't) list the favors I did for him and the abuse I've endured in return (which I'd forgive if he ever regained his heart). My experience with him helped me overcome a good portion of my own "lustfulness" - it's disgusting once you see what it turns people into - what it turns otherwise angelic people into.
Socioempath:
DeleteThanks - I do believe you are right about his "power".
My psychologist told me something that I believe is correct: the tears will stop one day, but until then, it's just something the body needs to do. I think tears facilitate change; and grief is acceptance of what you have in place of what you've lost. So I see it in that light - the emotion is more an unfolding, an opening to the possibilities before me or the opportunity at least to do that.
I'm grateful to yourself and Anon for reflecting the wider universe into my mind when I feel like that. It's actually very powerful have access to your perspectives.
Anon:
Thankyou, your words are powerful and they ring in tune with my experiences. I agree, it's almost a pity for them: it's as though a door is wide open for them but they can't see it. I wonder, especially reading ESTP Sociopath (who, I think, has some striking similarities to or at least congruences with **-*) if vulnerability is even possible. It doesn't seem a cognitive possibility, for example. I'm not sure if I'm phrasing it correctly: perhaps shared responsibility rather than vulnerability.
I used to speak to **-* about a shared journey. I know he tried things with me, used his creativity after my encouragement, but I think that was more tactical or strategic than a shared endeavour.
I sense something in ESTP Sociopath that I sensed in **-* and that is isolation. It's more than self-sufficiency or independence. It's not cruel or even ambitious. I'm struggling with words, kinda like this image.
ESTP Sociopath collaborates intellectually; perhaps it is the inevitable emotional disjunct. Perhaps you will know what I'm trying to get at.
Duality's post is very interesting. I wonder if the door handle might not be there for the turning, even if the interior is differently furnished.
North-
DeleteI LOVED THAT IMAGE!!!
A "Solitary Lighthouse"...
I love the ocean, the beach, lighthouses...
You know what it is for me??? When I think of my socio, I think of all the love I give. It doesn't seem to matter the size, strength, or channel in which I send that energy-he seems unable to "receive" it...
~Vegas
North-
DeleteIt's like "the love receptor" is missing or inoperable...
~Vegas
{{{{Vegas}}}}
DeleteThat captures it perfectly. Love was on a wavelength **-* could detect but not receive.
Or perhaps it was to him like a single raindrop falling on his endless ocean deep.
Thankyou.
Oh, and Anon, I would like to ask him, yes. He won't speak to me.
DeleteNorth-
DeleteI love it, when you do the {{{{}}}}, around my name!!!
It's SO PRETTY!!!
You are more than welcome, and-thank you.:)
~Vegas
North I know the sensation of light being consumed by darkness. And I do think they are vulnerable in ways. I have heard them described as hungry ghosts on the wheel of life. The strange things they would say seemed to be echos of a former self. I think some things remain. Maybe that is love? They seem to be constantly engulfed by a darkness that they can't fight.
DeleteNorth the sociopath knew they couldn't stay with me. They had already written the story. But for whatever reason it had to play out on stage. I of course didn't understand their obsession with loss. But it was there. It had always been there. It was inevitable
DeleteAlthough in their mind we had become enmeshed, interchangeable . They morphed into my persona or the cartoon character they imagined my persona to be. In exchange they tried to pin their discarded self on me. Blame and all.
DeleteNorth I have heard you express that **_
Delete* unfolded before you. I wonder if you would mind explaining that more. Now looking back would you say you feel youuncovered anything of value? I feel as though their experience were just read from a travel brochure. Their life was just a sequence of photos with the same pose.
North, you are asking whether **_* could conceive being loved for his true self - including the mask. I can't answer for him of course but I know my sociofriend realizes it is him i like behind his mask, as well as his mask. Even if **-* conceptualized this, you woud have to ask yourself what it actually means to him.
DeleteA while back, i told my sociofriend I liked him for who he is... I don't remember the exact context. He answered 'I don't care'. That was him talking without the mask I believe. He was not being mean. There always seems to emanate from him that constant and unconscious loathing or even fear of being liked and hence being rejected. I know he will never take for granted the fact that I like him. Though he would like me to think that he does. Sociopaths will always want to drop you before you drop them. The slightest hint that you might drop them and they are gone or they make your life miserable.
Other times when my sociofriend uses the mask to manipulate me, I tell him: "I know what you are doing, sociofriend!". So he asks with his mischievous smile: "is it working?". Mostly yes. Sometimes no. So he knows I like the mask too. And that, i believe, actually reassures him. It is his MO. Personally I dont believe I woukd like him as much or at all if he never wore the mask. But that is true of all human beings.
Does what I am saying make sense?
I thought ESTP's post was BEAUTIFUL...
ReplyDelete~Vegas
Part of what fueled my thought process behind that was from one of North's recommended Alan Watts monologues; he was speaking about "ruling without governing" I believe, and there is a lot of knowledge to be found within that I think. That kind of line of thinking feels like there is so much power to be found within that piece of wisdom.
ReplyDeleteESTP Sociopath
Yes. It's much better to "win people over" and make them decide of their own volition, than to just force them and earn their resentment. Nobody likes to feel manipulated and tricked.
DeleteThe one who wins over people's hearts and also earns their respect will have guaranteed himself almost unquestionable support of people and their loyalty.
I whole heartedly agree. So far, speaking candidly about my psychopathy with others I deem intelligent enough to hear my perspective out has led to nothing but more solidified relationships that quite possibly in the future I'll be able to utilize for my grand scheme of changing the world into something that not only suits my own interests, but also everyone's best interests.
DeleteIt would seem that the organization that runs my transitional living program for homeless youth (just one of several they have on top of the actual street shelter for the youth) has aligned themselves with me and my vision of the future. Lots of rather important looking people have been coming through, and I remember just this morning when I peered through the venetian shades of my front living room window right before I was getting ready to shower and do my business for the day and I saw my case manager standing in front of some high society looking folk, waving his arms excitedly in the direction of my apartment and speaking loudly.
It seems as if everything is going according to the plan.
ESTP Sociopath
I suspect that also them knowing that your're sociopath yet behaving decidedly and consistently "unsociopathic" has also crushed their preconceptions, made you more interesting and earned their respect - you put in the effort to weed out your weaknesses and be different from most "of your kind".
DeleteI find that receiving favors and giving them (mutual satisfaction and profit, you-scratch-my-back-I-scratch-yours) works extremely well. In effect, mirroring their behavior.
North says that her psychopath ex's core was his seductiveness, if I remember right; I see mine as diplomacy, in that I'm greatly leveraging it in my favor. I think it has played a key part in my ability to progress into a higher functioning psychopath.
DeleteESTP Sociopath
I think you should also look into Axelrod's experiment.
DeleteThe experiment consisted of several computer programs with two basic states: cooperate or defect. The winner was a program named TIT-FOR-TAT, the simplest one of the bunch.
Basically, it would cooperate on the first round, then match the competitor's decision - if the competiting program defected, so would TIT-FOR-TAT, and if it cooperated, it too would cooperate. It simply mirrored the last decision of the competing programs, nothing more.
Definitely very interesting...
Thanks, Socioempath. I'll definitely give it a read through and see if I can gleam some insight from it.
DeleteESTP Sociopath
I've started re-reading "48 Laws of Power", and I think it will greatly help you in developing your diplomatic (and leadership) skills. It's an easily digested, yet a very engaging read, with each law clearly explained, and containing a lot of historical anecdotes which give examples of the laws in action, both the consequences of transgressing each law, the rewards of following them, and even examples of when reversals of each "law" might be useful.
DeleteI know that you very likely have intuitive knowledge of those "laws" (by merit of being psychopathic and intellectually hungry); however, having them laid out so clearly is still really nice.
If you haven't already read it, I suggest you do - I think you're gonna find it to your liking.
Thank you for the recommendation, Socioempath. I think I may have heard the name of that book mentioned in the comments section of one of M.E.'s blog posts before, it sounds like a good read.
DeleteESTP Sociopath
Since there has been talking about honesty and giving in the comment (specifically, in relation to Duality's comment), I think it will be fitting to give an example of one of the laws.
DeleteSo, if you've ever been vary and very suspicious of gifts others give you (as I suspect you have), this may be the reason why;
"LAW 12
USE SELECTIVE HONESTY AND GENEROSITY TO DISARM YOUR VICTIM
JUDGMENT
One sincere and honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. Open-hearted gestures of honesty and generosity bring down the guard of even the most suspicious people. Once your selective honesty opens a hole in their armor, you can deceive and manipulate them at will. A timely gift — a Trojan horse — will serve the same purpose."
Yeah. I told him he gave me Trojan Horse orgasms.
DeleteBut what did he get in the end?
Control is an illusion.
North-
DeleteYOU CRACK ME UP!!!
What did he say, when you told him, he gave you "Trojan Horse orgasms???
~Vegas
Yeah, I agree with you.
DeleteSeeking power (and money, by that extension) for it's own sake will eventually lead to unhappiness and downfall.
Much better to "do your own thing" and create your own path - paradoxically, I find that the less you desire something, the more you get it; it doesn't apply to absolutely everything, of course, as that would mean no motivation and stagnation; for example, by having a desire to improve you find a way to create a solution.
Perhaps, by not wanting something (let's say, power or money), it doesn't give the ego a chance to "inflate" and make you vulnerable, which makes your perception more "objective"?
By following that logic, he wanted you so much that he actually got "less" of you.
Hmmm...
Socioempath-
DeleteI told Mr. Hyde this awhile back, and I find it's true to you, as well:
You are intelligent and wise-a rare and winning combination.:)
~Vegas
Thank you. I appreciate the compliment :-)
DeleteOf course we are all created differently. Yes, there are always certain "universal rules" which govern human behavior, which are hardwired into the DNA and brain by both evolution and societal "teachings and rules".
ReplyDeleteHowever, every one of us gets a different, unique genetic "package", genes with are affected (turned "on" and "off") by various enviromental factors and experiences.
One of those "universal rules" (for "normals", at least) is to seek out and bond with like-minded individuals, to create a "mini-society" of sorts whilst pooling resources and working together towards the same goals and "ideals", while simultaneously excluding those whose values and "morals" conflict too much with their own.
Taking this train of thought further, I can conclude the following: sociopaths, or psychopaths if you prefer that label, are much more dynamic and fluid and lack "hard values and morals" as "normals" understand it, therefore, they tend to get excluded if found out and don't put the effort into "sharing" those same values and morals. Of course, it doesn't help if the PP's/SP's don't "give back" and waste various resources the group offers.
Following this logic even further, since "normals" think very highly of their own morals and values, as they compose their "identity" (or at least, they think so subconsiously), should they somehow discover weaknesses and holes in it, that identity starts to get "dissolved" to a degree, which results in anxiety, panic, and an urgency to "fix" their personality and resolve the inner conflict it created.
That is exactly the reason why mirroring works - by mirroring their "values and morals", you can get the person to "like" you, while mirroring their actions infuriates them and makes them irrational and "emotionally unstable", or in other words, "teaches them a lesson".
The difference is normals follow the golden rule. Normals don't intentionally hurt others. Sociopaths do.
DeleteSo, they "accidentally" hurt others? Is that what you're saying?
DeleteLet's say your sister, brother, friend, or whoever is close to you got jumped by a drunk guy and beaten up so much he or she is in a hospital.
You know who is the instigator so you decided to get revenge and beat him up for daring to hurt your loved one. Does your anger make you unaccountable? Did you not intentionally hurt the guy, even though he struck first and "deserved" it? Or was it just "an accident"?
Or how about homophobic people who beat gays up for being "different"?
Sociopaths compose, what, 1% of the population? 3%?
20% of incarcerated criminals are sociopaths. That leaves 80% that are "normals".
I could go on. But normals do intentionally hurt others. To think otherwise is foolish and close-minded.
Socioempath-
DeleteI agree with you.:)
Let's not put all "normals" into a box, however.
There are "exceptions to the rule".:)
When I asked "my sociopath" why he likes me, he said it's because I am "different"-and I am.:)
~Vegas
Of course there are, both on the sociopath and "normal" side.
DeleteI think ESTP is a pretty good example of an "exception", and so are North and you :-)
Socioempath-
DeleteWe agree again!!!
I think you are an "exception", too.:)
~Vegas
Thank you for the compliment :-)
DeleteSocioempath-
DeleteYou are welcome.:)
I "call it", like I see it.:)
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteLife is short-I like to be "real".:)
~Vegas
Yeah, if you're not "real", especially to yourself, and tell yourself lies to protect your ego, how can you realize and correct weaknesses in your personality and improve?
DeleteKeep it real, because you are right, life is too short to make excuses :-)
Socioempath-
DeleteExactly!!!
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteI think "A" and M.E. are "exceptions to the rule", too!!!
~Vegas
PS Socioempath-
DeleteYou seem "serious" today.
Are people being "especially annoying" today???
~Vegas
So do I, Vegas.
DeleteExceptions are "unique" because they stray from the norm - I suspect this is where the word "exceptional" comes from.
Exceptions are exceptional :-)
Nah. I'm practicing my "logical side" while the ideas are flowing. Can't waste it all on teasing and jokes :-)
DeleteSocioempath-
DeleteYou are always logical!!!
Teasing and jokes, are SO MUCH FUN!!!
You didn't get "meds" from Joanie, did ya??? HA!!! LOL!!!
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteYou know I had to go there.:)
~Vegas
Hell naw! I like living far too much :-)
DeleteP. S.
A theme song for you. Keep it real ;-)
Socioempath-
DeleteYOU CRACK ME UP!!!
I like living far too much, too!!!
Thanks for the "theme song"-I LOVED IT!!!
How did you know, I was going to ask???
:)
KEEPING IT REAL!!!
~Vegas
I guess it was...
DeleteMAGIC!
Hehehehehehehehe ;-)
It was MAGIC!!!
DeleteI dig your hehehehehehehe.:)
I like this song, and just listened to it in my car, and thought I'd share the lyrics:
Hozier
"Take Me To Church"
My lover's got humour
She's the giggle at a funeral
Knows everybody's disapproval
I should've worshipped her sooner
If the heavens ever did speak
She's the last true mouthpiece
Every Sunday's getting more bleak
A fresh poison each week
"We were born sick," you heard them say it
My church offers no absolutes
She tells me, "Worship in the bedroom."
The only heaven I'll be sent to
Is when I'm alone with you
I was born sick
But I love it
Command me to be well
Aaay. Amen. Amen. Amen.
[Chorus 2x:]
Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life
If I'm a pagan of the good times
My lover's the sunlight
To keep the Goddess on my side
She demands a sacrifice
Drain the whole sea
Get something shiny
Something meaty for the main course
That's a fine-looking high horse
What you got in the stable?
We've a lot of starving faithful
That looks tasty
That looks plenty
This is hungry work
[Chorus 2x:]
Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins so you can sharpen your knife
Offer me my deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life
No Masters or Kings
When the Ritual begins
There is no sweeter innocence than our gentle sin
In the madness and soil of that sad earthly scene
Only then I am human
Only then I am clean
Ooh oh. Amen. Amen. Amen.
[Chorus 2x:]
Take me to church
I'll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies
I'll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife
Offer me that deathless death
Good God, let me give you my life
~Vegas
Religious people and institutions are not safe from corruption, especially psychopathic corruption. In any case, man was not "born sick and commanded to be well" as C. Hitchens used to say.
DeleteIn the name of God, The Merciful, The Compassionate.
"There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in God hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
God is the Protecting Guardian of those who believe. He bringeth them out of darkness into light. As for those who cover up (the truth), their patrons are false deities (Devils). They bring them out of light into darkness. Such are rightful owners of the Fire. They will abide therein."
Qur'an 2: 256-257
Speaking of the equality of men:
Deletehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tuHYZdf-ad0
Thanks you for the lyrics, Vegas.
DeleteSocioempath-
DeleteYou are more than welcome.:)
~Vegas
Awww...
DeleteLook at Joanie... What's that, another sermon?
Wow, what a surprise! I'm shocked! My heart, it's about to explode!
But wait, there's more!
A... a... a YOUTUBE LINK! And it's A SPEECH!
Oh my! You're so awesome today! You're bristling with so much creativity!
Clap clap clap clap!
Congratulations, I salute you :-)
"That actually bothers me in people, how easily I can see something from another's point of view, free of judgement and prejudice but other people can be so quick to criticize an idea just because they don't agree. They don't consider the possibility that they might be wrong but somehow the sociopaths that consider ideas as radical as Hitler's, Marx's or Stalin's on equal ground as democracy, freedom of speech and habeas corpus are the villains, for being impartial."
DeleteYou're NOT a sociopath M.E. if you treat other people with this much impartiality. If you treated them with apparent impartiality but your motive was to come across as impartial to others as some sort of a strategy THAT would make you sociopathic. I am and always was as impartial as you describe yourself above. You give undue credit to sociopaths by labeling yourself as one - real psychos & socios do NOT display these qualities, at least genuinely.
"All men are created equal" Only works if God created man and tells us He created them equal. Otherwise it's just a meaningless phrase which we'll keep repeating so long as it is unacceptable to say anything else publically.
ReplyDeleteM.E. I don't know if it's fair or accurate to label you a sociopath. I mean you certainly describe your sociopathic traits in your book but the trouble I have with these psychology terms is they don't take into consideration the intent of the person - just the outer manifestation. Here's an example which I hope clarifies what I mean:
X steals a $1000 dollars from the Enron because his mother lost her life savings with that company, and because he needs the money to pay for her insurance.
Y steals a $1000 from BOA because he needs to party tonight and his parents refuse to give him anymore, after showering him with everything his whole life.
Now technically they're both thieves but would it make sense if they both went to a "thieves blog" and had a casual conversation as if they're two similar people sharing their experiences?
And by "intent" I don't just mean what you were thinking at the time you did something sociopathic. It's much more broader than that. What would you have been thinking in a similar situation if your childhood was more "ideal." In other words, is it your nature to be a callous, indifferent & selfish virus or were you somehow forced into a similar mindset. If it's the latter, one cannot truly say you "intended" to do something sociopathic or sociopathic.
Delete*If it's the latter, one cannot truly say you "intended" to do something sociopathic or be sociopathic.*
Deletego blow up a supermarket you paki weirdo
DeleteLol they get weirder and weirder. I'm not psycho that's not my thing.
DeleteBTW M.E. I forgot to add: you're also different from the real psychos / socios in that you don't seem to - and haven't in the past (if my memory of my reading serves me right) actively sought to ruin other people just for the pleasure of it. Being extremely selfish is one thing but going out of your way to damage others is quite another.
Last comment M.E.
DeleteIf you were thief X in my example above and you met thief Y in the "thieves' blog" what would you expect Y to say? Openly admit that he's a selfish, spoiled liar who steals for fun and to party? Or would he lie and fake some BS to sound more similar to you? If he's really far gone and envious, he'll try to deceive and steadily bring you to his level - perhaps because you make him feel extremely shitty for stealing just to party (just by sharing your true story).
Sociopath is a pointless term. Classical terms make a lot more sense and would NOT be the same for completely different people who happen to be doing the same thing at any specific time.
"Actions are judged by the intentions behind them." - Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).
"Sociopath is a pointless term."
DeleteLabels are communication shortcuts. Perhaps a set of classical terms would be more useful for your purposes.
In regards to thief X and Y I have been metaphorically thief Y for a long time. I am working on being able to atone for my offenses. I will say that my intentions were generally good. That being said I did lie, daily, and I still lie and manipulate, but not nearly to the degree that I did before. What changed was that I had three years of interactions with someone who I would consider to be a sociopath. Our mutual agreement to meet with each other (I'm a mental health worker and he's was a mental health consumer) and to hear his story and to hear him speak nothing but the truth for at least two hours every week, and to slowly start believing him and being able to trust him to live his own life (without me trying to control him or manipulate him) has helped me to be able to know what the truth is. I myself thought that I was doing what was right, but from my interactions with him I realized that I was sacrificing my own comfort and happiness in order to please others. He has taught me that I need to take care of myself first in order to even help anyone. At the time when I was committing my offenses I didn't know that I was committing any offenses. Because I didn't know what I needed or wanted, only what other people wanted. And because I wanted other people to like me I did things that were sinful. Thankfully through his own story (indirectly mirroring mine through his confessions) I was able to realize what I've done. I wanted to give you hope that people can change and can learn from their mistakes.
DeleteJonaid-
DeleteDO NOT call M.E., or anyone else here, "a virus"...
~Vegas
Thank you for this comment. It was a breeze of fresh air, really, and informative. Do you consider yourself to be a sociopath - now or in the past?
Delete"At the time when I was committing my offenses I didn't know that I was committing any offenses. Because I didn't know what I needed or wanted, only what other people wanted. And because I wanted other people to like me I did things that were sinful."
This and the fact that you want to atone already says a lot about you. Only God can judge what is truly a sin or not but if I were asked my opinion, I would not say you were a "sinner" but rather you were "lost." I think I really understand what you mean when you say you were a "Y" but your "intentions were generally good." I used to do certain things & speak a certain way which I would now consider ill-advised but I never (or almost never...in case I missed something) meant any harm by it - I was lost.
I sincerely believe that God judges only by intentions and let's be clear on what exactly intentions are. They're not just our thoughts & reasoning during a certain action taken but HOW we ended up where & how we are in life. An example: if my mother was incapable or unwilling to give me unconditional love when I was a kid, I'd be more likely to do drugs & manipulate others. Each time I do any such thing I would of course intend it BUT it is NOT the same as someone without my background intending to do the same thing. In other words, I've been deprived of something that was my God-given right and a result I'm more "lost" than others.
"I wanted to give you hope that people can change and can learn from their mistakes."
Thank you for this and I agree 100%. I've actually went from being an atheist to a firm believer in God only a few months ago and one of the things which helped a lot in allowing me to trust in humanity was the life of Muhammad. During the course of his 23 year mission, he dealt with every kind of personality - the whole spectrum of empathy (from the extremely psychopathic to the extremely empathetic). If one can put the timeline of his mission on one chart and the conversion rate of the people on another, you'd see a direct correlation between where people fall on the empathy spectrum and when & how they converted. Those with high levels of empathy converted very early on while those with lower levels of empathy converted towards the end of his life. What's even more interesting to note is that those closer to the sociopathic end - once they converted they became extremely loyal and greatly benefited his cause. It took them a lot to build trust, recognize him to be a genuine preacher, but once that trust was built, it turned into a fierce loyalty & love. Very interesting - at least to me.
People do change - it's just sometimes you get disheartened. We're human...impatient and weak.
God bless you.
That was for DUALITY.
DeleteHello Jonaid, I'm glad that it was informative for you. Thank you for your response. I guess my short answer to your question regarding my considering myself sociopathic I would say that I don't know. I feel like that label is used more as a societal structuring, and I don't really know what society would judge me to be if I were to be completely honest with them.
DeleteI know up until recently I would have considered myself to be an empath/infp. I know that I've done many things that I knew hurt others in the past and that I've held on to those things and have tried unsuccessfully to make amends for my guilt by helping others. The interesting thing about this is that by helping others when they don't ask for help it both disables them and enables me to feel better, which is something that until recently I was unable to see. It seems to be a very language based difficulty that I had and still have to be very cognizant of. I assume that people need me (they don't) and so I push myself onto them in what I thought was benevolence. I would agree with you that conceptually that my actions and words are probably a result of being lost, but I also want to own the fact that they were sins against other people, despite the fact that I couldn't see it. The interesting thing to me is that it took someone who was labeled ASPD (unofficially by his psychiatrist) for me to be able to see that he was not the liar but I was.
In regards to God given right and God's judgement I am reminded of a quote that my ASPD friend had said to me which is that in essence God has already forgiven us, but we have to forgive ourselves in order to be able to move on. Also another concept is that of taking the plank out of ones eye. I have spent much of my life trying to remove specks from others eyes instead of removing the plank from my own.
I also have gone from more or less spiritually agnostic (interested but not believing) to what I would consider Christian recently. Why I say what I consider to be is that I'm unsure of if there are similarities in concept between different religions or if primary differences are in use of metaphor and literal language. The point though that struck me is that Jesus sacrificed himself so that I wouldn't have to. I feel as though all religions have some sense of validity to them in concept, and utilize metaphor and literal instruction. I feel like the only person who I really know is myself and therefore I only know what works for me if I'm taking stock of my needs. For me even the names (Jesus, God) and the languages of the different religions may not be as important as the underlying concepts of faith, truth, hope, etc. I wonder then if religions are in a way guidebooks to being able to learn these ways of being? I feel like the other thing that I'm trying to tease apart is the difference between religion and spirituality. I feel as though religion being a human concept is inherently flawed while the spiritual realm just is?
In regards to Mohammad's mission I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of mathematics behind ones place on the spectrum and their ability to convert and to be loyal to the cause.
Jonaid, a man who does the kinds of things Muhmmad did was neither genuine nor empathetic. I am going to keep calling you on statements like that. It is like a rotten tooth in your mouth that has to come out.
DeleteWhy do keep raising empathy on a pedestal? It is just an emotion. Your actions are what count.
Duality, thank you so much for posting this.
The interesting thing about this is that by helping others when they don't ask for help it both disables them and enables me to feel better, which is something that until recently I was unable to see.
The interesting thing to me is that it took someone who was labeled ASPD (unofficially by his psychiatrist) for me to be able to see that he was not the liar but I was.
In regards to God given right and God's judgement I am reminded of a quote that my ASPD friend had said to me which is that in essence God has already forgiven us, but we have to forgive ourselves in order to be able to move on. Also another concept is that of taking the plank out of ones eye. I have spent much of my life trying to remove specks from others eyes instead of removing the plank from my own.
People with sociopathic traits seem to have a special talent for seeing and cutting through psychological defenses, affording them very keen insight into the underlying motivations of people's behaviour.
God can use individuals with this make up for specific purposes. The Bible is full of strong leaders whose defining characteristic was most certainly not empathy- like Sampson, Moses, David and Paul!
Your ASPD friend hit the nail right on the head- and a sociopath will generally tell you how it is.
I feel as though religion being a human concept is inherently flawed while the spiritual realm just is
Absolutely.^
The point though that struck me is that Jesus sacrificed himself so that I wouldn't have to"
Bingo.
Jesus stands apart, and was unique in human history. Christianity is also the only religion in which one does not set about attempting to earn salvation or one's place in God's Kingdom. We all fall short because sin permeates everything and everyone. I call it as it is: sin. And we're all fucking wallowing in it to some extent. Even our best words and intentions are polluted by it. But through its ugliness, there can be catharsis, like the pheonix rising up from the ashes, in a blaze of glory.
It's beautiful in its ugliness. Creation is messy, orderly, wild, tame, ugly, beautiful and above all... powerful in it's unification of duality. ;)
Mainstream Christianity has become about following rules. The modern Evangelical movement has stifled independent, critical thought- scaring adherents into submission to a mindless church culture via threats of fire and brimstone. Questions are discouraged, and creative exegesis is stifled by theological tyranny. I dislike Church. I'd rather go straight to the source and think for myself.
Where is death's sting? Swallowed in Victory. That is the message of Grace. Love wins.
Chiquita enjoyed reading that, goosebumps;)
DeleteDuality:
DeleteThank you for the response. You bring up some very interesting points.
I just wanted to be clear on something: the "sins" you committed against people were not against the same people you're trying to help, whether they asked for it or not, correct? If so, this reminds me of my father. He comes across as someone who's very nice & helpful - perhaps TOO helpful to the point of annoyance - but his help is directed at people who 1) don't ask for it, often 2) should not be the first to receive his help & attention (in other words his priorities are often upside down so his help can - at least to me - seem a bit hypocritical at times). I don't blame him anymore - his mother was & is to this day the worst psychopath I know personally. I can't imagine having a mother devoid of love (especially since mine is an angel). As to whether your past errors should be label "sins" or not, I leave it to God. From the content of your message, I'm inclined to call them "mistakes." What's more important - in fact what defines a person - is HOW you choose to handle it after the fact. You are clearly feeling guilty, admitting it (at least here) and trying in whatever way you can to atone. That is a sign of a good soul, if not a great one. Very few people admit their ills, let alone try to atone - they simply just move on and cut it down or "change."
You sound like someone I'd love to discuss in detail my own experience of how I came to believe in God as firmly as I do. Not only that, why I came to believe so firmly in the Truth of Islam (it's core message - not "Islam" as a religion which may defined by anyone claiming to represent it) and how I square that with the fact that other religions not only exist but often have contradictory claims. I should make a brief comment on Christianity and what Islam (at least the Quranic view) is:
The Quranic world view is that mankind is prone to forget its origins (God) and fall prey to the deception of Satan. As such, God periodically sent messengers & prophets to remind people and bring them back to His way. Yet each people, after reverting, would gradually lose their way again. Jesus is considered to be one of the greatest Prophets & Messengers ever sent. His miracles - all of them - are confirmed in the Quran except 1) his divinity, 2) his death. The Quranic view is that Jesus - like the messengers before him and Muhammad after him - was a messenger, perfect in his nature & character (since he was born without a father through the "Holy Spirit") and he never claimed divinity. Furthermore, God raised him to Himself prior to his apparent death (how exactly is not specified).
Muhammad is the last of the messengers but the revelation which was given through him - the Quran - is something God claimed direct responsibility for and has promised to protect from corruption until the end times. Note here that ONLY the Quran is promised protection - not "Islam" as an organized, MAN-made religious institution. Muslims, like all the religions before them and after them, are just as likely to make mistakes, corrupt, sin etc etc.
I bring in all these details just to highlight the main difference between the ideologies. The Quranic is entirely about God. It emphasizes nothing more than the Oneness of God, and that mankind came from Him and is returning to Him. He will judge between everyone and His criterion is Truth. Christians, Jews, and "Sabeans" are specifically mentioned in the Quran as people who - provided they believe in Him and live righteous lives - will be recipients of God's grace & mercy.
We can discuss the details of each religion for ages but, as you've said, our personal experience of the world is what matters ultimately to each of us. When God saved me and I was left with no choice but to accept that He exists (at least to myself), I looked at the world and said "hmm, obviously there's no religions which have had more impact on humanity as a whole than Christianity & Islam. The reason why I personally never took Christianity seriously is twofold: 1) I never could make sense of the Trinity, 2) Islam came after and was immensely successful - the Quran affirms the divine origins of Christianity thus is explains its success but how can one explain the extraordinary success of Islam from a Christian point of view?
DeleteI hope I didn't bore you with all the religion talk. It's very interesting to me and is the most important question in the end so why not?
If your heart is sincere, God is with you. It doesn't matter if you call Him "God" or "Allah."
Or "Yahweh" or "Lord" etc etc. As the Quran says, all the beautiful names are His (and He has no gender...the masculine is used for obvious reasons).
DeleteIn the name of God, The Merciful, The Compassionate.
Delete"Lo! Those who believe, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in God and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve."
Qur'an 2:62
Duality:
DeleteMy apologies if I'm bombarding you with too much at the same time. I had to add:
As for forgiving oneself: my personal is in alignment with that of the Quran. If I wronged anyone, I would need them to forgive me for my heart to be fully satisfied. Now God can forgive anything but the traditional view is that He does not forgive crimes committed against creation (fellow humans) until they forgive first. It is a very high honor to be someone who forgives, it is highly encouraged and so it's almost impossible to conceive that someone would not forgive another in God's presence. I never understood the idea of "forgiving oneself" outside the context of sociopathy. How does one do that? Pretend that nothing happened? You may be - as I suspect - someone who might be harder on themselves than they perhaps deserve to be. In that sense I can understand that you need for forgive yourself (in other words go easy on yourself). I can relate somewhat and I find this to be a beautiful & amazing quality which, again, very few people display.
In the name of God, The Merciful, The Compassionate.
"Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of God. Indeed, God forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
Qur'an 39:53
Shut up and take ur dam medicine :D Lord hear thy prayer. The scruples Jonnah, stop going into the confession booth . Basta !
Delete"The Bible is full of strong leaders whose defining characteristic was most certainly not empathy- like Sampson, Moses, David and Paul!"
DeleteI thought this was worth commenting on. Empathy is not just comforting words, charity, hugs, etc etc. Empathy depends on context. Yes, in everyday life what we call empathy usually manifests itself in good manners, taking care of each other, feeling compassion for the sick etc etc. For someone in Obama's position, for example, empathy cannot always mean what we think of it normally. He might have to blow up a few thousand people TO BE EMPATHETIC. Yes, it may be that to do the right thing you have to make a tough decision and end up with bloodshed. It would sociopathic if he started the mess and then ended up with bloodshed but every leader encounters situations that are beyond their control and have to make tough decisions for security and overall interest of the people. In the Islamic tradition, no one had tougher jobs than the prophets. They were the most empathetic people EVER and that is precisely why they were able to tackle the problems of their day in manners that might appear sociopathic to someone who doesn't know all the facts (and forgive me if you a Christian or a Jew here but the Quranic view is that the Bible is no longer without some corruption). Pacifism does not work and that is exactly why even Christianity has a "Just War" doctrine.
You have no idea what the message of Jesus or the Biblical leaders is if you think they were in any sense of the word "psychopathic." No, intelligent psychopaths imitate these great leaders to some capacity (but with ulterior motives) and so some people (like yourself) now think that the original leaders were also psycho. Like I keep saying, psychopathy destroys the mind and its true reasoning capacity.
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DeleteYou post was BEAUTIFUL!!!
Like Superchick, it also gave me goosebumps.:)
You have a way of saying, EXACTLY what I'm thinking!!!
"Where is death's sting? Swallowed in Victory. That is the message of Grace. Love wins."
ABSOLUTELY!!!
LOVE WINS!!!
~Vegas
Okay now...
DeleteWho gave Joanie Adderall???
He's babbling more nonsense than a parrot in heat! Oh my, I turn off the TV so I can give my mind a rest from the bullshit, but nooooo!
Here comes Joanie, and she's up there with the best of 'em!
My mind! It's about to explode into a million little pieces!
The fuck is he talking about?
He might have to blow up a few thousand people TO BE EMPATHETIC.
DeleteAhahahaha...
This one takes the cake.
Um, what??
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're killing me! Right! Let's just kill people to gain more empathy! How simple! Why didn't I think of that?
Psychos of the world, rejoice! Joanie has solved the mistery! Now you can all become empathethic, just go on a killing spree!
Since you have sooooo much empathy, that makes me wonder... How many people have you "blown up"?
Superchick-
DeleteYOU ARE AWESOME!!!
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteI COULD NOT STOP LAUGHING, after reading your posts.:)
I LOVE YOUR HUMOR!!!
~Vegas
Oh yeah!
Delete"Blowing people up" is the Jihadi way! Watch out, empathy, Joanie's coming to get ya! He's found out the secret which eludes us all!
Allahu akbar!
Socioempath-
DeleteI am STILL LAUGHING, at the "Allahu Akbar" link!!!
~Vegas
"People aren't designed to fantasize in order to keep on fantasizing. They fantasize in order to make their fantasies real." - Robert Wright
DeleteI'm listening to an interview of Steven Pinker by Wright and hearing this reminded me of a discussion I had here a while back about the slippery slope when it comes to fantasizing. Of course there's nothing apparently wrong or harmful to anyone if you go off in your mind fantasizing all sorts of sadistic stuff but it will gradually force you to take small steps in the real world.
U R A LOSER!!!!!
ReplyDelete^Says the Lord of Niggerdouches. Ahem. :P
DeleteA-
DeleteYou said, EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!
Spoken to PERFECTION!!!
YOU CRACK ME UP!!!
~Vegas
Most psychopaths are tolerant with people that think like themselves. Some perhaps label the psycho liberal, but this often just is a "don´t care". But as soon as the psycho sits at a table with another person & vital issues like politics or money are discussed the "liberal-don´t care" phase is over. THEY SEE IT THEIR WAY.
ReplyDeleteReal liberals most likely disgusts psychopaths? These are the hypocrites they hate, folks talking and doing different things. This is provokative to many socios. Many socios think laws should be written so that all liberals should have to "walk their talk", then no more liberal "gooder-than-thou" shite would be heard, just standard talk by right-wing egotists doing and saying what such folks usually do or say..
DeleteFix your marriage and relationship after a breakup or divorce, 100% guarantee Love spell..! A very big problem occurred in my Marriage seven months ago,between me and my husband .so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce. he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn't love me anymore.So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband .So i explained every thing to him,so he told me that the only way i can get my husband back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for him too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow his advice. Then he gave me the email address of the spell caster whom he visited. TEMPLEOFLOVEANDPROSPERITY@GMAIL.COM. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address he gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day. What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me, and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past 7 months, gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back. So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there if you have any problem contact Dr Frank Ojo, i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you.. Email him at: Templeofloveandprosperity@gmail.com . My name is Amanda Bryan, me & my family live in Toronto, Canada. Thanks for reading .
ReplyDeleteFix your marriage and relationship after a breakup or divorce, 100% guarantee Love spell..! A very big problem occurred in my Marriage seven months ago,between me and my husband .so terrible that he took the case to court for a divorce. he said that he never wanted to stay with me again,and that he didn't love me anymore.So he packed out of the house and made me and my children passed through severe pain. I tried all my possible means to get him back,after much begging,but all to no avail.and he confirmed it that he has made his decision,and he never wanted to see me again. So on one evening,as i was coming back from work,i met an old friend of mine who asked of my husband .So i explained every thing to him,so he told me that the only way i can get my husband back,is to visit a spell caster,because it has really worked for him too.So i never believed in spell,but i had no other choice,than to follow his advice. Then he gave me the email address of the spell caster whom he visited. TEMPLEOFLOVEANDPROSPERITY@GMAIL.COM. So the next morning,i sent a mail to the address he gave to me,and the spell caster assured me that i will get my husband back the next day. What an amazing statement!! I never believed,so he spoke with me, and told me everything that i need to do. Then the next morning, So surprisingly, my husband who didn't call me for the past 7 months, gave me a call to inform me that he was coming back. So Amazing!! So that was how he came back that same day,with lots of love and joy,and he apologized for his mistake,and for the pain he caused me and my children. Then from that day,our relationship was now stronger than how it were before,by the help of a spell caster. So, i will advice you out there if you have any problem contact Dr Frank Ojo, i give you 100% guarantee that he will help you.. Email him at: Templeofloveandprosperity@gmail.com . My name is Amanda Bryan, me & my family live in Toronto, Canada. Thanks for reading .
ReplyDeleteSocioempath-
ReplyDeleteI just read Joanie's quote:
"It seems socioempath and Vegas are more like the filth in my family than you. Nevertheless, you are the company you keep."
Will you tell us about Joanie's posts that you read, that he subsequently deleted???
It sounds like he thinks he's talking to a guy named Phillip???
~Vegas
He deleted the two posts you already read (including the one with "meds"), and I got lucky and read his post before he deleted it. I laughed so much! A pity, really. I'm saving his funny posts from now on :-)
DeleteMy god! How I wish I saved it...
I'll try to remember it.
Apparently, I am not me, but this Phillip, because I'm running off my mouth much more than usual. And if I continue to do it, he's gonna... Stop caring about me or something!
Oh pleeeease Phillip, stop doing this to me! Or I'm gonna stop giving you chances or something! Ahahahahahahaha!
P. S.
DeleteIt seems he considers you worse than A.
Congratulations ;-)
Socioempath-
DeleteI'm sorry I missed Joanie's "funny" post.:(
The deleted post sounds REALLY DRAMATIC!!!
Should I start calling you "Phillip"??? HA!!! LOL!!!
Joanie's TOTALLY LOST IT!!!
He dosen't know who is socio and non, he thinks you and I are the same person, and then he thinks you (which would also mean "me"), are some guy named "Phillip". YIKES!!!
He thinks we are all "dogs", and now, you and I are "filthy".
It does seem as though he considers me worse than A-I'll take that as a compliment.:)
Thank you, for the "Congratulations".:)
~Vegas
PS Socioempath-
DeleteI like it when you "run off your mouth".:)
It makes me laugh!!!
If you stop doing it, I'll know it's because you don't want Joanie to stop caring about you, and giving you chances.:) HA!!! LOL!!!
~Vegas
Oh, it was. It was immensely dramatic.
DeleteI laughed so much I thought I was gonna burst!
I couldn't write for at least five minutes! Holy shit! Comedy gold, right there!
And don't mention it ;-)
Socioempath-
DeleteMan-I missed it.:(
HA!!! LOL!!!
~Vegas
Too bad, Phillip. You snooze, you lose ;-)
Delete~ Phillip
Phillip-
DeleteYOU CRACK ME UP!!!
Yep-too bad for me.:(
I'm just a "filthy dog", anyway.:)
HA!!! LOL!!!
~Phillip
Eh, what can you do, Phillip...
DeleteI know! I'm gonna take a bath so I'm not filthy anymore! Woof woof!
~ Phillip
Phillip-
DeleteI LOVE IT WHEN YOU SAY, "Eh"!!!
Have fun, in the tub.:) HA!!! LOL!!!
The "barking" was a nice touch, too.:)
~Phillip
I'm splashin', 'round and 'round
DeleteInner peace, finally, I've found
Phillip is clean, filthy no more
Shiny and clean like never before!
There, now I'm just a dog. Not filthy. No siree, no, that's a complete negative. Just a dog (of war) :-)
Phillip-
DeleteA poem, for me???
Ahhhhhh.:)
FRESH AND CLEAN!!!
I like dogs.:)
YOU ARE SO FUNNY!!!
"A dog of war", reminds me of this Pink Floyd song:
"The Dogs Of War"
Dogs of war and men of hate
With no cause, we don't discriminate
Discovery is to be disowned
Our currency is flesh and bone
Hell opened up and put on sale
Gather 'round and haggle
For hard cash, we will lie and deceive
Even our masters don't know the web we weave
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
Invisible transfers, long distance calls,
Hollow laughter in marble halls
Steps have been taken, a silent uproar
Has unleashed the dogs of war
You can't stop what has begun
Signed, sealed, they deliver oblivion
We all have a dark side, to say the least
And dealing in death is the nature of the beast
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
The dogs of war won't negotiate
The dogs of war don't capitulate,
They will take and you will give,
And you must die so that they may live
You can knock at any door,
But wherever you go, you know they've been there before
Well winners can lose and things can get strained
But whatever you change, you know the dogs remain.
One world, it's a battleground
One world, and we will smash it down
One world ... One world
-Phillip
PS Phillip-
DeleteThat song is off one of my favorite albums, that I recommended to ESTP: Pink Floyd's "A Momentary Lapse of Reason".:)
-Phillip
Thank you.
DeleteAnd there's only one world destined for Joanie if he sticks around here, and it just so happens to be six feet under.
Hehehehehehe ;-)
PSS Phillip-
DeleteYou should listen to it, and let me know, what you think.:)
~Phillip
You are more than welcome.:)
DeleteYOU CRACK ME UP!!!
~Vegas
Thank you for the song.
DeleteThe music was... quite fitting. Slow yet "moody".
I liked it very much.
You are more than welcome.:)
DeleteYou should listen to the whole album-I am!!!
We could listen to it, at the same time!!!
I LOVE IT!!!
Just listened to "Mother", and now-"Comfortably Numb".:)
AWESOME!!!
You seem so excited, you forgot to sign your own name! Ha!
DeleteJuuuuust messin' ya a bit :-)
I'll be sure to give the album a spin later. Thanks for the suggestion!
I didn't write that right.:( I'm listening to songs, off of various albums.:) The whole "A Momentary Lapse of Reason" album is AWESOME, but so is "The Wall".:) "Mother" and "Comfortably Numb", are on "The Wall" album.:)
DeleteDon't get worrisome and anxious.
DeleteIt's alright ;-)
Vegas you're on Floyd trip I see. They're one of my favourite bands.
Delete"Sorrow" is another good one from that A Momentary Lapse of Reason.
A-
DeleteI am on a "Floyd Trip"!!!
They are one of my favorite bands, too!!!
We are "Birds of a Feather".:)
"Sorrow" is another good song, from "A Momentary Lapse of Reason"!!! I LOVE THAT WHOLE ALBUM!!! I listened to it again, after I read your post.:)
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteYou are sweet.:)
I probably seemed "worrisome and anxious".:)
I don't like to give incorrect information, and I was multi-tasking, so my post probably came across like that.
I was listening to music, writing the post, and trying to do a few other things at the same time!!!
The "rapid and multi-directional energy" came through, in my post.:)
~Vegas
Socioempath-
Delete"And there's only one world destined for Joanie if he sticks around here, and it just so happens to be six feet under."
Where are you???
Joanie is "running rampant" again.:(
~Vegas
I'm riiiight here ;-)
DeleteP. S.
Thank you for the recommendation. I listened to the album, "A monetary lapse of reason". It's definitely... "weird". I think "psychedelic's" the word.
I liked it.
Socioempath-
DeleteMy hero.:)
You are welcome, for the recommendation-I'm glad you listened to it!!!
Weird is better, than normal and boring.:)
I'm glad you liked it.:)
You know what Pink Floyd songs, specifically remind me of you???
"Welcome To The Machine" and "Have A Cigar", off Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" album.:)
~Vegas
Thank you for the compliments :-)
DeleteIn the name of God, The Merciful, The Compassionate.
Delete"By the heaven and the Morning Star
- Ah, what will tell thee what the Morning Star is!
- The piercing Star!
No human soul but hath a guardian over it.
So let man consider from what he is created.
He is created from a gushing fluid
That issued from between the loins and ribs.
Lo! He verily is Able to return him (unto life)
On the day when hidden thoughts shall be searched out.
Then will he have no might nor any helper.
By the heaven which giveth the returning rain,
And the earth which splitteth
Lo! this is a conclusive word,
It is no pleasantry.
Lo! they plot a plot (against thee)
And I plot a plot (against them).
So give a respite to the disbelievers. Deal thou gently with them for a while."
Qur'an Chapter 86: The Morning Star
Oh, what's that?
DeleteA song?? And it's FROM THE QUR'AN??? HOLY SHIT!!!
Oh my! I congratulate thee! My hands are bleeding from all the clapping; my throat is sore from all the cheering!
How creative! That's a brilliant five minute work you did there, prophet. I'm simply amazed...
You sure are something else, J! Hell yeah, you showed me who's da boss, Jihadi!
...
Guess what, Joanie...
Surprise, surprise, I can do that too!
Imagine that!
Stand back, and be amazed!
Ahem...
You dare to tell me what to do
You have a lot of nerve
Watch your mouth or you might get
The dentist you deserve
You're leaving soon, your awful doom
Example to us all
You be so far back you won't
Hear the hound-dogs call
Go, go, whaddya know
I know what the deal is
You might try to cop a feel
And I know what a feel is
You go out, you go down
Some might think it's funny
Prostitute, destitute
Love can't buy you money
Don't you know the way is slow
And you've run out of time
Watch your feet or you might fall
And it's been quite a climb
Breaks my heart to say good-bye
But that's the way it goes
Don't you see the hanging tree
Get up on your toes
Go, go, whaddya know
I know what the deal is
You might try to cop a feel
And I know what a feel is
You go out, you go down
Some might think it's funny
Prostitute, destitute
Love can't buy you money
Well, here we are among the stars
Dizzy from the rush
We can't see your face no more
Behind that burning bush
Your Qur'an hits the floor as we
Exchange our fond good-byes
Turned around & falling down
Funny how time flies
Go, go, whaddya know
I know what the deal is
I might try to cop a feel
And you know what a feel is
You go out, you go down
Some might think it's funny
Prostitute, destitute
Love can't buy you money
Motörhead, album Overnight Sensation: Love Can't Buy You Money
The same day I had a excellent conversation with that social worker, as I was leaving the youth shelter with a friend to go to his place and smoke some weed and play cards I was approached by the man who leads the day services there; he told me a man from my past was desperately looking for me. I asked who it was, and of course that's confidential information of he wants to remain professional, so I had him give me the hints of that it was a man I was very close to for a time on the streets, who left the state. Remnants of lost memories resurfaced and a vague recollection of a love story floated to the forefront of my mind.
ReplyDeleteThe moment we first met, the moment I first laid eyes on him, I saw something so intensely beautiful that I knew in some way or another I had to have this man involved in my life. I became feverishly obsessed with him, playing my games of manipulation to pull at all the right strings of his heart to have him do the puppet dance I desired. The puppet couldn't move in all the right ways I wanted it to, but nonetheless the performance art of my acting acquired what love I wanted him to invest in me. He fell deeply infatuated with a woman though, and I saw straight through his infatuation. I warned him that it was a foolish endeavour, but he didn't listen. He hopped on a boat and left for elsewhere, and one of my greatest loves of my life left me. I suppose it couldn't be helped, but I'd like to think that if I simply played my cards better, if I worked my captivating charm and manipulation better he would've been mine.
Back to after the time I was told by the staff that this man was looking for me, I began obsessively researching online who it could be. His name had faded away from my mind, and I spent hours until finally my search bore fruit. I wrote on a sticky note, "Find [X]".
The next day I began my search for him. Purely on intuition I went to the library first, and as I walked down to the other side of the library where the homeless young adults gather, I saw him. His eyes widened and his jaw dropped taking in the beauty he saw before him; as I've aged I've only become increasingly more beautiful. It's been almost three years now since we last saw each other. We spoke candidly about our lives, he told me how the woman who he was so infatuated with broke his heart and that he wandered, wandered back in search of me. We spent the rest of the afternoon chatting, and time progressed to late in the evening for when we had to part ways for the time being. I knew that if this were to be a more honest and loving relationship, I had to come out to him. I did, but he had already deduced my true nature. He had already seen right through my facade and saw within me a kind of intense beauty he would never find within anyone else. We embraced each other, him holding me closely, my face against his hair taking in the rich smell of his masculinity. He came back to me.
I can only hope that now that he's verified his perception of me, of my true nature as a psychopath, that he will not begin to deeply internalize contempt towards me for what I am.
ESTP Sociopath
Wow.
DeleteI honestly think you are too emotional and dramatic to be a sociopath, Espy.
Also... Haha re: your indirect response concerning the dismantling of the criminal justice system. So transparent. :)
The counsellor who is paid 13.50/hr was SO impressed by your "ability to captivate, charm, and enchant people by painting a profound work of art within their minds" that they changed their minds about dismantling the criminal justice system?
You think that people like Mao, Kim Jong Un, and Muhammamed would be reformed of their lust for power and blood if they were just given a bit more understanding?
Bahaha! How gullible. Your counselor was pandering to you, silly. They see you as a broken person who needs to be approached with kid gloves. I'm sure their intentions are excellent, but don't be a blind fool, and let your narcissism lubricate the agenda they want to shove up your ass. XD
(Part 1)
DeleteI want to offer my constructive criticism, "A", instead of shaming you as you have done to me. I like to facilitate civil, constructive conversations via proper diplomacy here on this blog that can possibly be sharing mutually beneficial information with each other. I like to tell my life story in order to possibly acquire feedback that has information I can utilize to better adapt to my environment.
As I cognitively recognize, as a fellow psychopath you are either projecting your cognitive empathy or experiencing affective empathy that has led to you replying to my post with words seemingly laced with vitriol as I intellectually comprehend. Perhaps as you were reverse engineering the desired outcome you were visualizing with posting that comment, the apparent intent behind it that I suspect is to purposely sabotage whatever emotional stability(? Again, what's the benefit? As if that were possible) I have. I will further explorate on this line of thinking with assuming this is sadism. Is it sadism that is instrumental to acquiring some direct benefit for you, as it would be typically for us psychopaths? It wouldn't appear to be the case here. I might suggest that in the future, if you want to indulge in sadism, that it be used to influence me in a manner in which our interactions are being changed in a manner which suits your own best interests.
ESTP Sociopath
There was meant to be a Part 2 to this, but it has been lost on my phone I'm typing these replies out on. I may rewrite what was going to be said later.
DeleteESTP Sociopath
Projecting empathy? What does that even mean?
DeleteShaming you? Is that so, narcissist? :)
You retreat behind excessive verbosity and strained formality when you are challenged.
I am a sadist. But there is no vitriol lacing my words. I just think you're as mistaken concerning the nature of your interactions with these authority figures as you are clueless about certain facets of human nature. You are being manipulated via your narcissism.
You're full of yourself, Espy. It oozes out of your every pretentious word.
Well, "A", as I've said before, you will think of me as you will, as will everyone will. As we already also covered in a past conversation between the two of us, if my meglomania irks you, as it has others before, then that's fine, I will do my best to better shape my social approach with this blog if that is what you desire from me although I would think honesty would be more appreciated(?). I have enough humility as all psychopaths to recognoze how my self confidence and esteem in myself can be perceived as higher-than-thou; I spoke with my loved one yesterday and this is something we covered in conversation, that humulity is something I must push to have if I am to gain better respect from the common people, to have better leadership within my immediate community and world if I want to push for the human rights of us psychopaths, by natural extension all of mental illness, and breaking down the injustice perpetuated by our criminal justice systems.
DeleteIf you are determined to run a smear campaign against me, I will not stop you beyond trying my best diplomatically to convince you to do otherwise. Infighting amongst psychopaths I would think wouldn't help our cause.
ESTP Sociopath
Your "megalomania" doesn't "irk" me. It is as though every time you speak you try to conform to this box you have decided that you will fit into. You have wrapped up your sense of identity in an (erroneous) conception of psychopathy, and are now determined to define your every exchange and self-centered thought within that rigid context. It comes across as almost autistic; not sociopathic.
DeleteI am not conducting a "smear campaign against you". I am calling things as I see them. I have always done that here. This is your weakness, so I will prod it. Don't take it personally. If I really wanted to break you down (as I have some here in the past) I would not be addressing you this cordially. But I am trying to be nice. Ahem. :)
Sociopaths are impulsive, irresponsible, callous, duplicitous, deceptive, manipulative, and reckless. Our emotions run shallow. This doesn't mean we don't have them, it just means that they are fleeting.
And for the most part, we don't back down from challenges- as you most submissively and deliciously just did. (I *do* like it when someone willingly bares their figurative neck.)
At any rate, you do not strike me as having a sociopathic character at all. You DO strike me as a typical narcissist.
There are a lot of overlapping characteristics between these two character "disorders"- or types. Most sociopaths are flaming narcs of a slightly different variety.
Anyway, it is clear that you are trying too hard to fit into a mould.
Be real, ffs- and stop being so incredibly self-absorbed. It is the only way you will find your voice as a leader.
I just took that gay ass test and I'm an ENTJ. whatever that means. to me that Myers Briggs is just a glorified horoscope for pseudo intellectuals.
ReplyDeleteAny of you fags want to fight. Honestly i will meet you on the street man to man to fight if you want. I'm not afraid of anyone
ReplyDeleteMhmmm. That is why you're compelled to announce it on Sociopath World like the One True Badass you are. All hail fierce keyboard warrior Lord Niggerdouche!
DeleteBehold, SW! Another walking, talking cliche. We've never seen anyone like you around these parts. ~~~~
Fuck, but you're a boring troll. Say something witty or GTFO. :P
What's up with the name calling???
DeleteJoanaid calls people "virus", "filth", "dogs"...
Adam calls people "fags"...
~Vegas
A-
DeleteI LOVE YOUR POSTS!!!
As usual.:)
~Vegas
Oh my!
DeleteThe danger's coming! The day of reckoning is near...
Noooooo! Everybody, run for your lives! Adam is gonna beat you all up! There's no escape from his mighty iron fists! A real alpha male right there!
You have been warned...
Socioempath-
DeleteYou'll save me from Adam, right???
~Vegas
I shall try, milady...
DeleteBut no guarantees! Adam is so powerful and mighty! So godlike, that he is the one responsible for creating the universe!
He ate fifty tons of spicy food (because it's the manly thing to do), went to the bathroom, and there you have it - the Big Bang!
Tremble before His Might! Thy kingdom come, thy will be done!
Socioempath-
DeleteI know you'll do you best.:)
I started to realize awhile back, that you communicate, just like my socio!!!
The way you write, your humor, and even the rhyming 4-line poems.:)
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteYou are "familiar".:)
~Vegas
Really?
DeleteI find that... very interesting :-)
Socioempath-
DeleteYes.:)
It is very interesting, isn't it???
Is there a "Psychopathic/Sociopathic University", I am unaware of???
~Vegas
As a matter of fact...
DeleteYes, there is...
How did you know?
Oh no! Shit, you found our secret!
;-)
Socioempath-
DeleteI knew it!!!
I cannot reveal "my sources".:)
~Vegas
Ooooh! A secret!
DeleteShiny! My preciousssss...
;-)
Socioempath-
DeleteI LOVE IT!!!
I loved the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy, and I would pretend I was "Gollum", and say "My Precious", a lot.:)
~Vegas
Lord of the Rings trilogy was simply "epic"!
DeleteAlthough, I wonder...
What if they just used those big birds to fly over Mordor and just drop the ring from the sky?
Would've saved them a lot of trouble. But then, we wouldn't have the great trilogy, now would we?
:-)
P. S.
I have a song for North, and you (yeah, it's Motörhead yet again). It very likely depicts an encounter with a "bad" sociopath and the consequential ruination of the relationship;
...
I will never take the blame,
Don't twist the truth, don't be a whore,
Tell the truth & shame the devil,
Don't you lie no more.
I will never understand,
How we came to this sad place,
Just to look at your sad face,
Castles made of sand.
Here we are, so we do,
What we had is now untrue,
What there was is lost and shamed,
Here we are again.
So now we are the lost,
And now we are the last,
Living in a nightmare,
Broken dreams, love turned mean,
Living in the past.
...
Socioempath-
DeleteLord of the Rings trilogy was epic!!!
What type of sociopath, would you classify yourself as???
~Vegas
PS-
DeleteI liked your idea, for the Lord of the Rings, but you are right-it wouldn't have been the same trilogy...
~Vegas
PSS Socioempath-
DeleteI LOVED THAT SONG!!!
I know I keep saying this, but it's my favorite song, so far.:)
Thank you.:)
~Vegas
Well, I don't really want to go around doing "bad" things indiscriminately (just to those I think really "deserve" it, like our dear friend Joanie), and have see no problems with helping those who I consider "deserve" it, so... "good"?
DeleteIt certainly helps that I know how it "feels" to be on the "receiving" side of it and what it eventually leads to.
Socioempath-
DeleteOMG!!!
I couldn't figure out, how I missed "your story".
Then, I realized, that's when I was talking to NM & before he picked my name...
You were taunting NM and I, and so I was "skipping" your posts...
HA!!! LOL!!!
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteWill you answer my question, that I've asked many times, that no one answers???
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeletePS-I should go back and read, when you were being mean to me.:)
~Vegas
I was still more or less "fresh", so, I was kinda "practicing" for a bit - I believe, when you "get" into something, it's good to find out extremes and limits and see all of the potential for yourself, check out how it might work, than to wonder "how it might have been". Otherwise, how will you develop to the maximum if you leave "holes" in your knowledge?
DeleteThankfully, I found it much better and more intellectually stimulating to be "fair, patient", and so on...
No hard feelings, I hope?
:-)
What was your question? I'll try to answer...
Socioempath-
DeleteOf course, no hard feelings.:)
Although, I was your "Joanie", for a bit.:)
HA!!! LOL!!!
Would you say, that the majority of sociopaths are heterosexual, bi-sexual, gay, etc.???
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeletePS-I'm sure I'll get over being your "Whipping Girl", someday...
HA!!! LOL!!!
~Vegas
Juuuust a little bit ;-)
DeleteI don't know for sure, but from reading the comments, and knowing the fact that sociopaths are generally "flexible" and "comfortable" with themselves, with experimentation as their modus operandi, I'd say... bi?
I think it may also depend on the "culture" to a degree - in my country, where there is generally much more discrimination towards homosexuals than in more developed, "liberal" countries (which would mean much less incentive to "experiment" in that direction), the psychopath I knew never gave any signs of being "bi", and liked women, showing no interest in men that I could detect.
Me, personally, I'm "still" straight. But it may still be due to the "freshness", so I can't really the question on the preferred sexual orientation of sociopaths with 100% certainty. But from I could gather, they are bi (at least, in developed countries).
Socioempath-
DeleteThat's what I was thinking!!!
Thank you, for answering.:)
~Vegas
No problem :-)
DeleteSocioempath-
DeleteYou may have already said this at some point, but how did you find out, that your guy was a psychopath???
~Vegas
I always "kinda knew" his nature, that he liked to "play games and play tricks", but I figured; hell, the fun times and experiences were "worth it", and I reasoned, if I was useful, he should see no need to play games on me.
DeleteBut, alas, he fell prey to his own destructive instincts, seeing it as a "weakness" on my side, as from his own perspective, I probably did "too much", and he found it irresistible not to take advantage (which he slowly ramped up).
Of course, I didn't really understand it at the time.
Once I gained "socioempathy", as I like to call it, finally I understood: why.
I knew exactly why and how he played all those "games", pulled all those "tricks", and so on.
I see no reason to go out of my way to seek him or to "prove myself" to him, as I see it as an unnecessary waste of time - let bygones be bygones, I got better things to do.
However, it's still just a guess. A highly accurate guess, but a guess nonetheless, and it shall continue to be a guess until (more of an if) I meet him in person (highly unlikely, but they say never say never).
Oh well, if there is a need, at least I have a pretty nice bag of tricks from that experience that I can use, as he was really, really impressive :-)
Socioempath-
DeleteThank you, for your response.:)
~Vegas
Don't mention it :-)
DeleteP. S.
Allahu akbar!
Socioempath,
ReplyDeleteI'm trying your recipe - sort of - and it tastes pretty ok so even if it doesn't work, I'll have not lost much.
I discovered some raw cacao in the cupboard so I used that.
3 tbsp raw cacao
2 tbsp sugar (for taste)
1 tsp turmeric
8 twists of the pepper grinder
700ml milk
Whizzed it all up with my Ninja.
Initially, I used about 400ml milk but found upon almost finishing the shake that the ingredients weren't fully dissolved, so added some more.
Will post back with any results. I'm feeling a bit sleepy right now.
North-
DeleteThank you, for the recipe!!!
The kitchen is not my forte, so I always feel better about trying to make something, when I have a detailed recipe.:)
I wonder if the ingredients would dissolve better, in a warm beverage...
Socioempath-
You heated your drink, didn't you?
I also wonder what the difference in taste and/or potency might be, between a cold and warm version of that beverage...
When I get the chance, I'll have to try it both ways!!!
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteThank you for conducting your experiment, as well!!!
I meant to say that before.:)
I have recently become interested in the various spices, and their claimed health benefits.:)
I would also like to try cooking more-maybe I'll be able to make it a little more "my forte".:)
~Vegas
PS Socioempath-
DeleteI don't know that your beverage can be "better than coffee" for me, as I am a COFFEE FREAK!!! HA!!! LOL!!!
I'm sure it can be pretty good, though.:)
~Vegas
I can't say I've noticed any meaningful boost. I wasn't clear how much cacao is required for an effective dose but I enjoyed the drink so happy to try again (maybe with warm milk) is Socioempath can inform us.
DeleteNorth-
DeleteDid you drink it 2 hours ago???
It's good to know, that you enjoyed the drink!!!
Socioempath-
How much cacao (black chocolate), did you put in your drink???
~Vegas
North-
DeleteGUESS WHAT???
When I went to the store the other day, I noticed an advertisement sticker on the entry doors, that said "Yerba Mate"!!!
I remember you mentioning that several times, so I searched the store, and I FOUND IT!!!
I am a "MINT FREAK", so I bought the "Enlighten Mint" flavor.:)
It's in my refrigerator right now!!!
I'll let you know, when I drink it!!!
~Vegas
Awesome, hope you enjoy it. I just bought a huge thermos so I can take my mate wherever I go :)
DeleteNorth-
DeleteThank you-I know I will enjoy it!!!
Anything with mint, is "A Winner", in my book!!!
It's nice to have a big thermos, to be able to have it with you, wherever you go.:)
~Vegas
I used around 400-500 ml of milk, a lot of turmeric (I don't know the exact measurement, but I think it's about five-seven teaspoons) and nearly half a packaging of 75% black chocolate.
DeleteIn addition to black pepper (which is said to increase turmeric's absorption up to 2000%), I have also read that anything fatty (and that includes milk) also increases absorption, especially when heated up, so that's why I chose to put it in milk, which I heated to ~80-85°C.
After the heating, since there was a lot of turmeric, I have also put a lot of black pepper (the suggested ratio is two units of turmeric for every unit of black pepper).
I have repeated it multiple times just to see it's not a placebo and it worked for me every time (you may have noticed how differently I have been writing, especially my... "insults").
Lol. Okay, please tell me how many grams in your chocolate package. They come in all sizes here!!
DeleteI will need to massively increase the turmeric and pepper (might have to buy powder) and will heat the milk next time.
Yes, you've been creative :p
Thanks for the tips.
Socioempath-
DeleteThere you are!!!
Thank you for "clarifying" the drink!!!
I hope you keep making those drinks, too-Joanie is "out of control" again.:(
~Vegas
It says 85 g/r on the packaging.
DeleteVegas, just you wait. Hehehehehe 3:)
P. S.
DeleteNorth, first I put turmeric (along with the chocolate), then I poured milk, so that turmeric heats up with the milk. I don't know if it makes the difference in the drink's effectiveness, but there you go.
Okies, noted. Thanks.
Deletethat blog is filled with the biggest bunch of losers I've seen. having no life doesn't make you a sociopath. sociopathworld is the major league of narcissist and sociopath communities.
ReplyDeleteStart spreading the news
ReplyDeleteI am leaving today
I want to be a part of it
Sociopathworld, Sociopathworld
These vagabond shoes
Are longing to stray
Right through the very heart of it
Sociopathworld, Sociopathworld
I want to wake up in a blog
That doesn't sleep
And find I'm king of the hill
Top of the heap
These little town blues
Are melting away
I'll make a brand new start of it
In old Sociopathworld
If I can make it there
I'll make it anywhere
It's up to you
Sociopathworld, Sociopathworld
Sociopathworld, Sociopathworld
I want to wake up on a blog
That never sleeps
And find I'm a number one
Top of the list
King of the hill
A number one
These little town blues
All melting away
I am gonna make a brand new start of it
In old Sociopathworld
And if I can make it there
I'm gonna make it anywhere
It's up to you
Sociopathworld, Sociopathworld
what a pathetic blog. you shouldn't be allowed to advertise on here. If i were M.E I would ban you for life.I've no time for losers like that.when i first came to this blog back in 2011 i became the main topic of conversation a celebrity. i set the standard and people copied and tried to emulate me. that's the gift of alpha males. I'm not a person who respects people who emulate me In fact I despise them.
ReplyDelete'Women are nothing but machines for producing children.' - Napoleon Bonaparte
≠) Arrrgh , so badassery , I knight you Adam badassery, cmon kiddo lets go get zums candy for u on those streets
ReplyDeleteBut ur song up above made me smile, we just need someone on piano and guitar :D
ReplyDeleteI am the original creator of the 'badass sociopath' alter ego here on sw back in the glory days. So you're argument is invalid you corny whore. I was the first one to actually mock the wannabe's sociopaths who took themselves too seriously. i founded that niche.
DeleteOh wow! Really??
DeleteOh, how amazing!
Oh pleeeeeease, do tell us more, ya scoundrel. I'm simply dying to hear all about your glorious conquests and exceptional originality...
Go on, do tell us more. It must be a really interesting you got there, Alpha®!
Oh yeah. I couldn't help but notice a tiiiiny little gem of yours;
Simpletons talk of the past, wise men of the present, and fools of the future.
I wonder... What's up with that :-)
I make a legacy wherever i go, you make nothing. You're forgetful and lack any magnetism. I made it back when sw was a POWERHOUSE. you can't even make an impact and this place is dead. You are a joke and a disgrace to your nice family. I really feel bad for you and your lack of charisma.
DeleteHot damn! Look at you, all powerful and radiating with magnetism! A real man, right here.
DeleteGasp! You even feel bad for me! Oh, how generous of you. You shouldn't have!
I bow down to thee, oh you almighty Adam Bonaparte, the King of Kings, the kingiest of all the kings in the history of kings...
Go get 'em, tiger ;-)
Great Napoleon quotes -
ReplyDelete1. The moment of greatest peril is the moment of victory.
2. He who fears being conquered is certain of defeat.
3. The fool has one great advantage over a man of sense — he is always satisfied with himself.
4. To do all that one is able to do, is to be a man; to do all that one would like to do, would be to be a god.
5. Simpletons talk of the past, wise men of the present, and fools of the future.
6. It requires more courage to suffer than to die.
"It requires more courage to suffer than to die."
ReplyDeleteExactly. This is why suicide and euthanasia are glorified these days by the soulless weak populace, somewhere in their lives they lost their courage.