I recently watched Fight Night Round 4. This had inspired me to go back and watch some classic fights. One of the fights I watched was the George Forman vs. Muhammed Ali.
Ali has always amazed me. Not just by the fact that he was a amazing boxer, or how he was socially conscious. It's the fact that he won his fights by getting in his opponents' heads. Before fights he would taunt and insult the other fighters that were big hitters. This way he could play against their strengths turning them into weaknesses.
In his fight against Foreman it was no different. Almost all of Foreman's fight were won by knocking out the opponent by the fourth round. Ali, however, can take it the distance round after round. His goal would have to be to tire his opponent out, and survive till then. Ali was also older and came out of retirement, and Foreman was in his prime as the World Champion.
Before the fight it was found out that the ropes were too long for the ring. The fighters agreed to fight anyway since everyone was already there. Now here's where things get interesting. Ali found himself getting hit hard and against the ropes. Only he found out he could lean against the rope steadily and Foreman's hits wouldn't hit as hard, and then he realized he could fire shots off of it. His corner screamed at him for spending round after round against the ropes. However, Ali continued. Meanwhile (Ref's account), Ali was tautning Foremen, calling him names, laughing at him, and telling him "Is that all you got?" This caused Foremen to hit even harder, much to the dismay of Ali's trainer.
Ali was able to expend all of Foremen's energy to the point where he was not even throwing punches anymore--he was just pawing slowly at him. They called his movement "Sleepwalking" because he was so slow and unfocused. Ali played with him for one more round and ended up knocking him out.
Now I'm sure you're wondering why I'm giving you a play-by-play on boxing. It reminded me of a strategy that I've always used in my life against others who try to bring me down. I portray my strengths as weakness and weaknesses as strengths. People take you for what you portray to be more times than not. You don't have to be a sociopath to get people to take you for face value (though it's easier for us since we do it constantly). People are keen on boasting their strengths only to brag. It's natural. Your key lies in playing your strengths off as a weaknesses, luring you opponent into a false sense of security where they fall into a trap of playing your game. In the same way you play your weaknesses off as strengths, deterring them from attacking you where you have no game. Know yourself and know your enemy.
Participation time: I want to know from the readers if you've used this strategy? How successful was it for you? How did you pull it off and when did you decide to strike?
Yeah, I have used this strategy a few times, from what I’ve found out, most sociopaths do their best (and we are the best at this) to appear normal, deceiving the people around us into thinking that we are normal. Aside from this site, I’ve had a hard time finding sociopaths who don’t try to hide this—I am one of these people. I don’t lie about being a sociopath, in fact most of my friends know this, of course they don’t buy it, but then again, they haven’t looked it up, so whatever...I normally use my flaw of being a sociopath (I don’t consider it a flaw, but the people I mess with do) as a way enticing people into seeing it as something I need their help with.
ReplyDeleteIt allows myself the opportunity to feel people out, if they take the information of me being a sociopath as me being someone not to trust, then the game switches, but most times when I falsely confide in someone about needing their help they usually step right up to see what they can do. Not long after, I send a few small vibes I send out and see how they react, as well as the ones that they send back to me, I see more and more a way to gain leverage over them in case I have to use it to my advantage in the future.
I don’t gain dirt on people knowing that I will use it against them, nor to I do it so I can manipulate them, I simple do this as an insurance policy, so if I sense shit going down and I know I’ll fall on the bottom if it, I’ll pull out the ace in to hole that they actually GIVE up to me as their way of trying to comfort me, because I do this in a way the ensures that they know that they told me, they feel they slipped and thus forfeit and I win.
I have leverage over my mother, she knows this and she also knows that she let it slip out of her own mouth, so even though I can’t imagine ever needing it, I know and she knows I have a knock out punch on her.
I fail to see any sociopathic tendencies.
ReplyDeleteIn the post or the first guy's remark?
ReplyDeleteOne situation I can think of right off the top of my head was in my relationship with another sociopath (telling of course when he told me he loved me only hours after we met ... once he figured out I had a nice house and drove a nice expensive car) His game was weak. His tactics were even weaker. He was looking for someone to use and I was going to be that person for him. So I played the part. I didn't really have a goal in mind I just wanted to fuck with his head see how far I could get and I did. I made him promises but failed to keep anyone of them. I would watch him get ready to take whatever I was willing to give and count on it.... then I yanked it from him. He was badgering me to move in with me because he "loved" me and wanted to start our lives together. Bullshit! He really thought he could get over on me! It was actually laughable. He was about to find out how flaky and unreliable his meek little woman could really be. I told him at the end of the month right before the rent on his apartment was due that he could move in. I could see it in his eyes ..."Score! she took the bait!"
ReplyDeleteMy mother signed the lease on my apartment months earlier so I knew I had an ace in the hole here. After I was sure he got the movers paid and the money he would have used to pay his rent was spent I went to my mother and I cried telling her that I made a mistake and I didn't want him to move in and asked if she could talk to him and tell him that you forbid it. Now my mother wasn't happy about the arrangement anyway which I knew so naturally she did. Sure he was pissed because he now had no money and no where to go but could he really fault me? *bats eyes* Absolutely not which meant I still had an edge here. More so than if I had just flat told him .. Hell no!
This maybe a rather unique situation when a sociopath squares off against another sociopath or not but regardless I knew after only a short few hours of speaking to him what he wanted. He wanted a naive girl with money who he could use abuse and throw away so I played that gullible little thing for him. I was played stupid and stroked his ego every chance I got. He was the king! I turned on the tears when I needed to ...to show I was sincere. I played little miss indecisive and made him feel like he could come in and take control until he felt comfortable enough to take off the sheep suit and show his true colors. Then the games began. I took his car his money his home from him and left him with absolutely nothing. The only mistake I made was not taking into account how desperate he would get! What he did at the end really surprise me.
It's just like my father always told me... "You can't bullshit a bullshitter!" And I am arguably the best bullshitter of them all.
ok, I'll take the bait- what did he do in the end? (better be good)
Deletehow flaky and unreliable his meek little woman could really be
ReplyDeleteHow does that make you different from any other woman? Women like you make me laugh. As long as I get into your vagina its all good. Don't even try to say you don't spread your legs like a Ivan Pavlov experiment. Anything else is just the icing on the skankho cake.
I never got kidnaped by the way.. Someone else has been posting as me and that is great! I'm glad I'm so popular. Peter is trailer park trash by the way, other self.
Thunderball, are you the narcisistworld blogger?
DeleteAre you saying you're also peter pan? Thunderball and peter pan are one in the same?
ReplyDeleteHmm...I sense some hurt feelings Thunderball... did some girl break your bitty little heart and now you are finding it hard not to harbor some absurd animosity?
ReplyDeleteThunderball doesn't have a heart to break. Realize this now or later ninja.
ReplyDeleteIn regards to the post M.E., I'm not a sociopath but from personal experience with one there were two "tactics" that stood out for me. Both strategies portrayed weaknesses to gain strength..When caught between a rock and hard spot the pity play on sympathy was a good way to reverse the situation and get me to back off. It would be any elaborate lie spanning from stepmom in hospital, house got burglarized, to having cancer! At first it worked but the stories became to elaborate and always came with impeccable timing to be believable anymore.
ReplyDeleteSecond weakness, making up tragic family stories about a terrible upbringing to gain sympathy and loyalty. I.e. Saying things like "everyone in my life has deserted me so you can't" kinda thing. Rationalizing the odd behaviors to a bad upbringing..
Anyway. Don't know if that's common technique but its out there.
Thunderball goes underground after his credibility gets destroyed. He changes his name when he decides to change his opinion, which is often. The truth is he has no opinion. Just mindless ramblings and a chex mix of pop logic, wikipedia, and juvinelle insults you learned in a elementary school. He came on here crying about his life. A rant of contradictions. He thinks he's clever for changing names or trying failed schemes on sociopaths to fit into the club he's imagined up. He doesn't understand that he actually has to succeed in something first, but all he can do is fail. Unfortunatly that's him. I will talk about you Thunderball. Your front of loving people on here hurling abuse at you is a half truth. You love the fact that there's one place where people won't feel sorry for the failure you call your life. You blame everyone else for your weakness. Its you. You are the one to blame for being so pathetic.
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ReplyDelete"His game was weak. His tactics were even weaker. He was looking for someone to use and I was going to be that person for him."
ReplyDeleteThis story is a weak cover for the real truth. He did use you, and your on here trying to use this forum for therapy. You wish you fooled him and he ended up broken hearted. It was you instead.
"So I played the part. I didn't really have a goal in mind I just wanted to fuck with his head see how far I could get and I did."
No goal in mind? Use some imagination when you make things up. Details. You have the half truth part down. So really you were in a place of vulneralbility. If you were as bitter as you are today he wouldn't have had you, so you imagine if it all played out different. Please carry on:
"He was badgering me to move in with me because he "loved" me and wanted to start our lives together. Bullshit! He really thought he could get over on me!"
Calm down. TO be this emotional it must have been recent. Love hurts, doesn't it? How does it feel to be lied to? You wish it was him feeling the pain you do, dont you?
"My mother signed the lease on my apartment months earlier so I knew I had an ace in the hole here."
If your mother signed the lease papers how would that be YOU getting over on HIM. If it was his mother it would be different.
The real story is that he used you for your money, your mom's credit, and maybe sex. Judging by your photo I would just say money and your mom's credit.
Excellent remarks. He's showcasing indeed how women say one thing and another between the lines when it comes to a situation like this. It's possible she could have been alert and watching but also unable to keep giving him the green light, till it becomes too obvious to continue.
DeleteWhat I say is it does not matter who says s/he broke up, it's the other party who really played a selfish part and couldn't care less for the break-up. Hmmm, maybe I am too fast on that one, I do remember a guy whom I dumped and he sure was suicidal after that, but the thing is he probably was more suicidal before me, so can't take the blame, really.
As for examples of my playing it weak... Dumb blond... I play that part very well, they never see it coming that I can verbally punch with no fear and with a lightning speed and effectiveness once they cross a certain line. Great fun doing this. I am not sociopathic though, I just am tired of forward ugly nice guys. The game is much more fun and guilt-free with subtle, good looking, sociopathic or narcissistic guys.
I can't help but completely agree with you Thunderball. Likely your assessment spot on regarding S. Ninja. Sounds more like she was completely bamboozled by her paramour and now merely 'rewriting' the story.
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He changes his name when he decides to change his opinion, which is often.
ReplyDeletePeter you are the king aliases, so don't even go there.
You blame everyone else for your weakness. Its you. You are the one to blame for being so pathetic.
Just because you wear the suit doesn't mean it fits.
Speaking of pathetic, why are you still on here? You're no psycho by your own admission, just damaged trash. Still cant find a more productive way to whittle away the hours in your trailer?
The truth is he has no opinion.
So true. Whats the point? Opinionated people are just people with agendas. I have no agenda past entertaining myself.
I understand Thunderball was in the scene way back when, but I am sure we have guys like him here in terms of 'having no opinion.' I am curious how they play this fact as an upfront weakness and later as strength. I want to hear specific examples.
DeleteAm I to assume someone who calls his teachers 'opinionated ass-holes' is quite sociopathic?
"This story is a weak cover for the real truth. He did use you, and your on here trying to use this forum for therapy. You wish you fooled him and he ended up broken hearted. It was you instead."
ReplyDeleteActually Thunderball, I am in court ordered treatment for APD and NPD because of this incident. It is not by choice however that is not to say I haven't learned a great deal from my experiences thus far. And eh.. where is your story by the way? I don't see a contribution from you here?
Everyone on this forum so far have been spilling their guts in one way or another or have been reading to supposedly be "entertained" when really they are seeking information about themselves from like-minded people because either they feel like outsiders or this diagnosis (if anyone here has actually been diagnosed) is new to them and they are seeking more information. I guarantee you fit into one of these categories and if so aren't we all in some way seeking our own kind of therapy?
"Calm down. TO be this emotional it must have been recent. Love hurts, doesn't it? How does it feel to be lied to? You wish it was him feeling the pain you do, dont you?.....The real story is that he used you for your money, your mom's credit, and maybe sex. Judging by your photo I would just say money and your mom's credit.
I'm certainly not hurting but he is. The only thing that did hurt me was the fact my child's life was nearly snuffed out in an act of his own desperation and insanity. If you sense a form of frustration than that is where it is coming from.
"Thunderball doesn't have a heart to break. Realize this now or later ninja."
A dozen people can come on here and say that you are a cold bastard all day long and while that maybe true to some superficial extent all I have actually seen from you Thunderball is a hurting man himself who has built this wall up around a wounded and bleeding heart. Resorting to insults and snapping at anyone that you can is a sure sign of some real anger which has fermented into ...bitterness. Anger is a firey ingredient in passion which develops from emotional pain. Seeing as how my comment here has struck a nerve with you I can assume you have been hurt by a woman you trusted and hurt very badly.
I was angry for a while as well until I learned that much like any other emotion I have observed in people anger burdens only one person and that is myself and it is the gravest weakness. I learned this from this relationship I speak of. This guy was the angriest dude I had met in a long time with wounds that ran deep I think it confused him in a way. He was brilliant in some ways which is what drew me to him in the first place. I respected him at one point but it wasn't too long until he showed himself to me and lost my respect. That is when I started playing games with him. I didn't intend for it to get as far as it did. I didn't account for how what I was doing to him emotionally would result in what it did. It never once occurred to me that maybe I didn't have a willing opponent. I thought we were just having fun with each other. It was a moment of clarity for me for the first time in my life I was able to see my fault in a situation and understand alittle better why I have been ordered into treatment and as far as detail ...that is not in my benefit right now and since I am looking out for me your personal entertainment will have to wait. No one is here to impress you despite what you may think.
Spoken like a true ninja :)
Delete"Actually Thunderball, I am in court ordered treatment for APD and NPD because of this incident"
ReplyDeleteWait. You're in court ordered treatment, because you made someone pay for a move in fee? Come on. There's no law against that.
"I was angry for a while as well until I learned that much like any other emotion I have observed in people anger burdens only one person and that is myself and it is the gravest weakness."
I thought it was him, not you, that was angry. The holes in your story continue and get more bizaar:
"I'm certainly not hurting but he is. The only thing that did hurt me was the fact my child's life was nearly snuffed out in an act of his own desperation and insanity."
Wow, how was having a child with him part of the plan? Did you try to kill your child? Is that why you were ordered into therapy?
"A dozen people can come on here and say that you are a cold bastard."
The real Thunderball is nothing but a pathetic clown, so I decided to assume his identity. Under my thumb he bleeds ice. You're right. The real Thunderball is hurt. Just like you. He comes on here and whimpers once in a while as you can see.
There's a lot of women with BPD. Guess what? They're delusional. They don't know who they are or what they want to be. Are you a cutter? How many times have you tried to kill yourself? Why did you think threatning to kill your baby would make him stay? Did you just lose it or did he set you off? What's it like when you have BPD and a sociopath in the same house?
The sociopath tries to get the bpd to commit suicide, the physically weaker bpd makes like she's gonna blow him after sexily handcuffing him to the bed posts, she takes out her cutting blade, slices his dick and balls off, shoves his dick up his ass and his balls in his mouth, takes photos of him, posts them on the net, all while he's bleeding out, he gets off on it and the frees himself like the incredible hulk with the crazy fight or flight bs he has, whatev, he gets free, throws the nightlight at her head, puts the crushed lightbulb to her tender face, telling her this is what she does to herself, she is worthless bah blah blah, she thanks him for saving her the time cuz she was gonna cut later anyhow, she sutures his peeny back on, most bpds know how to do that shit, they make sweet love in the bloody sheets, howl at the moon, cuddle up and call it a night.
Delete"Everyone on this forum so far have been spilling their guts in one way or another."
ReplyDeleteOh no missy. The only people who've made that mistake is you and Thunderball.
Anonymous, you simply sound like a vindictive teenage girl. Like the main villain in all those high school teen movies. The snobby, but broken inside rich girl that has to get back at the world for some minute pain, or is simply bored from never having had an issue to overcome, and therefore weak. I wouldn't label you a sociopath because you dig up dirt on people, I'd just label you a bitch with nothing better to do.
ReplyDeleteNinja, you're retarded. You had to break up with a guy by sicking your mother on him. She's probably rich and your spoiled so yoiu chose some asshole who used you and you were passive aggressive. If you were any more typical you'd be a joke... wait, you're on here telling sociopaths about your passive aggressive exploits, (In other words about your trite manipulation tactics perfectly laughable to any of us) trying to blend in and be as important as your mommy makes you feel... you are a joke. And you're dumb if you think any of us are impressed by vengeful females who picked the wrong guy and couldn't leave him.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have forgotten that sociopaths are perceptive. If you want to hang you'll have to be smarter than that. I'd have changed your story altogether.
This is getting better and better. I love this shit.
ReplyDeleteHahaha! I leave for a week or two and people start posting with my name, and apparently Thunderball thinks I've been posting as him? Oh man, good shit.
ReplyDeleteOn topic:
I've never intentionally used this tactic, though I should. The closest I've come is pretending to be easily controlled when I'm actually a very, very controlling person, but I did that on instinct. On a few occasions, I've used false humility to make someone feel like shit when someone who admittedly sucks at something beats the hell out of them at their own game. Never used it for any other purposes, though.
HAHA! I love it! My daughter is dead? I killed her? Honestly did you even read what I wrote before you came back with you comments or did you just skim past all the big words.
ReplyDeleteYou have made assumptions that a teenager or twenty something would have made after reading what I wrote. "Your mother is probably rich and you are spoiled." Yet avoid making any reasonable or rational criticism based on facts that I have actually illustrated. I was almost impressed when you picked up on my frustration but you failed to deliver a strong fact based argument to support it. Assumption with out fact is based on intuition and intuition is a highly empathetic trait. That is not a weakness at all in fact once you grow up it will be a powerful strength.
Also stop the woman grouping and hating shit it is old. So many angry young men saying the same shit. Can't you come up with something more original? I have to assume with your eager focus on this you don't get laid much. Hell, maybe that the reason for you animosity I don't know nor to I care.
I came on here to find out some more information something I can use to get the hell out of treatment for something I don't think I have not to spar with an intellectually ill equipped man child. I already have three children to interact with. I get more intellectual stimulation having a conversation with my 10 year old Aspie son then in I have going back and forth with you.
Jasonsnowflake... at least Thunderball has incited some thought worthy candor (as skim as it was). Your just a clown who is throwing a tantrum because I criticized you on another post.
But to M.E. I enjoy your posts. They are very well thought out and knowledgeable. I have attained a lot of good insight. Keep it coming..
You tell 'em, Ninja.
ReplyDelete"At least Thunderball has incited some thought worthy candor (as skim as it was)."
ReplyDeleteDon't try to win me over you cunt. You're a pawn scum baby killer!
You criticized me in another post?
ReplyDeleteHm.
You're giving out way too much information about yourself to a team of sociopaths eager to dissect you and bring out your weaknesses.
For example, you're a terrible mother because you put your children in danger over a relationship you knew was going to be detrimental to you. As I said, I fail to see how you were in control there, as everyone here does. So you risked not only your finances on a loser, but when you submitted control to him knowingly you also put your children's lives in danger somehow. No wonder you're divorced. Were you a victim persoanlity then? Passive aggresive, submissive? Let's say we're curious. Give us some facts if you think you can prove your side. We're going by how and what you write. You say you're in therapy. That isn't a fact. What is a fact is your writing style and the way you sell your justifications to people who simply don't buy that kind of stuff. Provide us with something good or go.
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ReplyDeleteLol sure. ♥
DeleteI'll be posting as Rich the Uber Empath soon, but I still want to keep the suspicion around, so be patient.
^lol
DeleteSomewhat hungover. Delayed reactions. May sit today's sesh out.
I suspected as much that Ăśber-Douche couldn't be a real construct. Muy bueno Extremity.
Well played again Alterego.
You are such a douche, Extremity. Don't mess with Rich. He is heads over you in being a wonderful human being.
DeleteSee? I am Extremity. I got you Monica, and yes Alterego I am brilliant, that's nothing new!
Delete^ Exactly bitches!
DeleteHow do you feel now Monica? hahaha
DeleteMonica got her ass kicked by Extremity.
Deleteninja, ur story is pretty weak and pathetic lol. u lost me at the 4th line, tl;dr
ReplyDeletethese comments are funny.
ReplyDeleteME is a sociopath, but he is also an elitist, and he is using sociopathy to express his elitism.
think of socipathy as a special trait... like a mutant. there are high functioning mutants (think magneto) and low functioning mutants.
the sociopath described by ME exclusively describes very high functioning sociopaths. which is what.... like the top 5% of all sociopaths. shall we coin a more fitting term... elitopaths? lol
a sociopath with npd???
Deletenoi way?
WAY!
DeleteI was targeted, and seduced for sport but mostly for money and if they had played a decent long game and kept their cover deep I wouldn't have stood a chance and been part of a very dark retirement plan. Through some instinct and experience when I was being data mined (though not fully realising it then) and asked how smart I was said "very but my intelligence wasn't quick, it took it's time and gets there in the end". This was taken literally and was too much temptation for a sociopath to test her gaming right under my nose, more so than she had with others. I also said that "I can take a lot of damage as long as I win" which surprised her but she instantly thought there was no way the cruel damage she could inflict was anything I was prepared for.. but I was. I played a bit dumb whilst observing on the sly while her arrogance led her to trip up and make big mistakes and I saw much, much more than anyone else had before.
ReplyDeleteI held back a lot of myself so the sociopath acted upon their reading of me as a lesser competitor perhaps in a similar way that Iain Banks's Culture plays poker with the Iln. They got exposed and were forced to move on and dine on lesser targets like breaking up families with just the home up for grabs.
M.E. is a narcissist, and she uses her blog for narcissistic supply. That's what she is.
ReplyDelete^ This
DeleteHi Mindless Pleasures
ReplyDeleteAre you ignoring me, these days :(
I don't see what is elitist about ME's article. It is life wisdom. I don't see what is narcissistic, either.
Yesterday, I was listening to a speech by Churchill.
The point of the speech was how weakness gets you attacked. Strength keeps you safe, as people respect you( or what you will do back to them) if they mess with you.
Of course, this is a simple truth in life. However, to someone like me, who has been in a fog for decades, it was a revelation( gut wise)
I see this play out in my own life as clearly as it plays out on the world stage. Our own lives are a microcosm of the world.
I just had the experience with beating down the Mal Narc, and almost losing someone and a position I cared about.
I forced myself to stand for myself. I forced myself to value my own integrity over social approval. That one stand increased by self esteem and confidence a great deal.
That one stand took me out of my numb state, a great deal.
My point is that ME is talking about real life here. It is wisdom to know this. It is not a PD or any kind of mental/emotional illness.
Wisdom is wisdom. It is priceless, as your life will suck without it.
@ Monica
DeleteI’m not ignoring you Sweetheart.
Look, I’d be the first to admit that I didn’t know quite what to expect when I first posted on this site just over two weeks ago now.
To be perfectly honest, I had exaggerated how much I had followed the site before posting my original post under the ‘Wannabe Sociopaths’ [Monday, September 10, 2012] blog. Basically, I had followed for a few weeks, read a few of the most ‘Popular Posts’, scrolled a couple of posts below and thought I had the gist of it.
However, I am really thankful that I did post, because until that moment I had no real incentive to read anything other than M.E’s articles. But now that I have, I’ve felt the necessity to understand the Sociopath World on-line community.
And the first thing I became patently aware of was that there is an eco-system involved - a none-too-delicate, subtle eco-system, but an eco-system nevertheless – and that I should respect it, if I were to have a further role in it.
And whether or not I have a role to play in this eco-system is yet to be seen. But I’d really like to as I have had some real belly laughs reading some of the posts from other readers as well as had my eye-brows raised by some really interesting and challenging articles and comments.
I don't really care for much of what's on the internet other than the obvious news, music and the obvious that doesn't repeating repeating - but this site is unlike any other I have ever visited. I really genuinely enjoy visiting here without getting all sentimental on your arse.
However, (and while I am hungover and slightly in a weakened state) - I also admit that I am not particularly equipped to discuss some really serious personality disorders with people on this site that obviously suffer/are afflicted/endure/have them.
Though, as I said on my original introduction post which I thought about a lot and meant; “I perceive discussing/sharing the differences between sociopaths and empaths a mutually beneficial intellectual exercise that provides insights to how we all function within society”.
And Tom Hill was perceptive to immediately pick up on that line – which is why I came to this site to begin with – to engage with and try better understand some of the more intelligent, paradoxical and intuitive thinkers that challenge us all as to what it is to be a living, breathing sentient being on this rotating ball of dirt we call Earth.
And also, I enjoy ripping the piss out of idiots that deserve it as much as the next guy. And I can give and good as I get ; )
Take care Monica Moo. Be a better friend to yourself my dear.
That is wisdom, dear Mindless Pleasures.
DeleteWill, can you give me an example of paradoxical thinking? Wrapped between intelligent and intuitive, paradoxical sounds like a good thing in your world. I just am not sure what it is exactly.
DeleteDo you hate me Mindless Pleasures?
Delete@ Paradoxical
DeleteI’m probably not using ‘paradoxical’ in its purest philosophical, self-referential, mathematical (etc) meaning but rather a short-hand for something that seems counter-intuitive from an empaths perspective.
M.E has touched on a few of these dilemmas already in the past few weeks I have been visiting this site. For example of the much debated ‘Trolley Problem’ in the “Moral Judgement Without Emotions” blog [Saturday, September 15, 2012]
I guess I'm using ‘paradoxical’ in the sense that seemingly from a sociopath’s perspective in some of these ‘emotive’ philosophical imponderables it is so clearly binary. Either you do or you don’t.
And at first blush, the logic is impenetrable. This is the paradox I am referring to because there are obviously a lot more examples and variables that an empathetic thinking person could attempt to introduce that could potentially trip up the sociopathic person's thinking.
Having said that, I think there is are definitely valid augments from either spectrum, and it is only in the best interest of all and sundry to discuss and debate them.
I hope that this makes clear what I am saying when I refer to paradoxical thinking.
Failing that, I blame Alanis Morissette who sang a song called “Ironic” which wasn’t ironic at all. “It’s like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife” is not ironic that’s just stupid.
With thanks to Irish comedian Ed Byrne whose routine I’ve shamelessly ripped-off.
However, I will end this post with his well-known quote that, "The only ironic thing about that song is it's called 'Ironic' and it's written by someone who doesn't know what irony is. That's quite ironic”.
For Rich From Alterego. I don't know if you saw this, as it was on two days ago.
ReplyDeleteAlteregoSeptember 24, 2012 11:16 PM
You'd be better off smoking pot until you passed out (were that even possible) than taking that methadone and Xanax crap. Marijuana is not cytotoxic. By contrast, it can have a protective effect on your cells.
No I didnt see that....... I actually agree with him/her......But withdrawal from opiates TERRIFIES ME....... I only take 1/3rd of the xanax iam prescribed and I could quit xanax easily if I wanted to, I would just do a slow taper, I never had a hard time getting off the benzodiazepines, the opiates are another story..... Last time I came off methadone I was sick and bedridden for 6 weeks until I broke down and finally went back on oxycodone at my pain clinic (i live in South FL, pain clinics are all over here) and I started drinking poppy tea, than one day I decided to get back on the methadone clinic and believe it or not methadone makes my life and quality of life so much better, it is indescribable how good and clear minded it makes me feel, I feel like a normal person again when iam on it.
Delete^Does this mean you're really a drug addict too, Extremity, or is that just part of the act???
DeleteLong term benzo use can be very detrimental. It can erode memory and brain function.
DeleteI have Rx Benzos but I'm pretty afraid of them. My brain is too important to degrade.
Yes Haven, I have had a seizure trying to come off of them too quickly! I have been prescribed them since I was 15 years old and iam currently 24, they work great for taking that anxiety away, taking that "edge" (that I dont want or need) off.
DeleteAnon- I have had a drug problem for years, I just kept it from SW, I dont post much about my private life unless I post under "Rich the uber empath"........
So all the stories you've told as Rich are the truth about you?
DeleteWhy would anyone choose to project such a weak, addiction addled character? Nobody can post such detailed information about a drug problem without actually suffering from one.
DeleteI suspect there is a kernel of truth in your story, Extremity- if it is in fact you. And if it is, you would do well to take the verbal thrashing I dispensed yesterday to heart.
If you are being transparent- kudos. That takes a measure of courage, especially here.
Now get off the meth and out from under your mother's thumb. Otherwise you will never gain any self-respect, nor will you earn the esteem of others.
For fuck's sakes, be strong. ♥
Yes, Extremity
DeleteBeat your drug problem. It is wonderful you shared.
Extremity, you're Rich? Gross dude. You were so much cooler before you started telling the truth about yourself with that pathetic Rich character!!!! Drug addicts are as low as prostitutes. They belong 6 feet under!!! I have no respect for you, bro.
DeleteLeave Extremity alone, dude. He is a drug addict, not a loser.
DeleteExtremity isn't Rich, and someone has failed on his test. Too bad he can't do anything to reconcile. I wonder if people realize the personal information that can be obtained from one innocent little exchange by email......
DeleteI looked up the e mail. There is nothing. Leave him the fuck alone Eden/Extremity. You will make yourself look like a low class loser if you go after him.
DeleteStart saying your prayers. You just lost your friend the game.
DeleteShow everyone who you are Eden/Extremity. Show what a loser you are.
DeleteGo after a kid, you fucking, disgusting piece of shit.
DeleteNot sure if we see the rope a dope strategy the same. I remember watching the high-lights of the fight as a kid and it stunned me how Ali looked to be losing. He looked to be taking all these early punches. Then it "hit" me. Ali was allowing himself to be hit... he was allowing his self to take shots when he wanted and where. He protected his vital areas (head and ribs), laid on the ropes, and let Forman swing away.
ReplyDeleteI have done this both figuratively and literally, and the key is:
"Know yourself and know your enemy"
But more so, you better know these things better than your adversary.
Good post, Tom Hill.
DeleteFor those of you who haven't bothered to look, the documentary about said fight is on our list of our mandatory movies.
Are you kidding me Tom? You walk right into the punches with your gloves down. That's not the rope a dope, that's the punching bag.
DeleteHey now Ukan... to be fair, punching bags are important too ;)
DeleteExcept that it worked. To be sure, boxing isn't fighting, but Ali did pretty well for himself. It pays to be able to take a beating, as long as you eventually dish out and even better one.
DeleteMany years ago at my previous job, I was sent into an HR office for questioning as part of an ongoing investigation of something I was (accurately) accused of by a vindictive supervisor who despised me for standing up to her bullying. I knew from the second that the lady from HR doing the interrogation said "have a seat, please" that she had me down for "guilty as charged". She was simply going through the motions, but she was convinced that I MUST be guilty. Every one of her questions were essentially rhetorical, as she was trying more to get me to trip up on my own account of what happened than an honest attempt at connecting the dots and getting to the "truth" of the situation. I could see disgust and revulsion in every one of her expressions.
ReplyDeleteAt first, I played the incredulous bit, completely 'blindsided' by the accusation, unable to come to grips with why anyone would want to do this ('falsely accuse') to me. I tried to avoid flat out denying the charges and focused more on what an 'injustice' was transpiring. I stuck by this song and dance for a good half hour to 45 minutes or so, but I saw that she was impervious to this approach. I had to try something else, as she wasn't buying it.
The tables started to turn in my favor when I began to convince her (subconsciously) that she and I are really no different. I wish I could remember how this happened (maybe it was a picture on her desk?), but suddenly, we were talking about dogs and cats and I was explaining to her how much I loved animals (which is true) and about my own experiences with my dogs and cats, but I was no longer even being interrogated. I dragged this on for a bit fully aware, though, that I wouldn't be able to walk out of there without us returning to why I there to begin with.
I felt that this was my chance to play the 'victim card' but with a resigned slant as the central theme to my closing remarks. I explained to her that I found the entire accusation to be completely absurd and unfounded, but that whatever the verdict might be, that it come quickly and be delivered to me as soon as possible. I told her that the suspense was going to kill me. I added that I would prefer a swift "guilty verdict" in order to deal with the consequences immediately than a possible "not guilty" which might have taken as much as a week to get back to me. I knew from the look on her face as I walked out of her office that I had managed to completely reverse her original stance. The following day, I received a call from my manager asking me that it was ok to come back to work. She later told me that the lady interrogating me had told her that either "he's one hell of a liar or that's one really good kid". I wound up switching departments, but I left that job on my own terms and always made sure to give my former supervisor (the one who leveled the accusation on me) a big smile whenever we crossed paths.
UKan forgot that he already told us this one in the past, just as he forgot to say his name.
DeleteStop trying to play detective dunce. That's not my story.
DeleteI can cry at will, and I often use it to show 'deep' regret for leaving a group (as way of ceremony), or to portray myself as feeble and tame (which isn't hard since I'm naturally not a loud person). First impressions do last, so long as I occasionally reenact the impression - small approximations that reinforce the original impression are often sufficient to maintain the facade.
ReplyDeleteThis way, I can gain more leeway to be lazy, selfish, and uncaring, which they then mistake for shyness, gentleness, naivety, and niceness. They rarely even take real notice of the insults I sometimes throw about (though it affects them), or when I act wild, difficult, or when I misbehave, I'm still the picture of decency in their minds (they do tell me so by their words and actions).
I prefer to avoid direct confrontations (by which I mean the person hates me, and knows that I hate him/her back), as they often require too much time and energy actually caring about the offending party, and my so-called 'hurt(?)' self-esteem. Or I could be just another self-deluded person trying to numb myself from the pain of life by finding comfort in lies, perhaps I really am nice, shy, gentle and whatnot, idk, everything comes too naturally to make a clear distinction.
For the record I don't think I ever did 'strike' (not on purpose anyway), I'm far too cautious to blow everything for a brief taste of victory. As a result, I lack closure in almost all of my relationships in life.
Let's see here now; with all the genius regs we have up in SW, and Monica, who is both psychic and an expert writing analyst, no one could tell that Rich was a fake? You couldn't tell it was Extremity, Monica? LOL How embarrassing!!!! This blog gets better all the time. If ever there were a place to watch delusional arrogance to the extreme, here is where!
ReplyDelete^LMAO
DeleteMaybe, Monica let Extremity think she thought Rich was a fake. Ever think of that, big boy? ^^
DeleteLOL what total bull!!!! You fell for it hook line and sinker, Monica. Try not to further embarrass yourself by saying you were wise to the trick! Your ego wanted it so bad, you couldn't help but fall.
DeleteHa ha ha ha
DeleteYou never knew about that.
*know*
DeleteWait and see Biaaatch :D
DeleteWow...lol. You must think I am really fucking stupid.....I think I called Rich and Monica BOTH FAKES yesterday.....maybe you should go retread yesterday.....your defense SUCKS!
Deletelame excuse
DeleteI got the email I needed :p
DeleteThe joke is on you, Biaatch
DeleteMaybe, Monica let Extremity think she thought Rich was a fake. Ever think of that, big boy? ^^
DeleteBe careful Rich, she doesn't know how to keep secrets very well. She's not clever enough to play the game without giving herself and you away. Are you sure you want to play the game? Do you even know what it is?
Maybe Monica and Rich are playing a joke on Extremity. Think out of the box, People :D
ReplyDeleteIf you could think your way out of a box, Monica, it wouldn't be so easy to tell which anonymous and sock puppets are you.
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DeleteSomething you wanted to say, Monica? :D
DeleteWait and seeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D
DeleteLOL you're the easiest sucker on the block. That's all anyone is ever going to see.
DeleteHa ha Don't think sooooooo @@@@D
DeleteLove my icon. I am so kewl @@@@@D
DeleteLOL! Maybe we are, and maybe we arent :) LMAO!!!!!!!
DeleteMaybe you are what?
DeleteWe are kewl, Big Boy @@@@@@D
DeleteI got bigger @@@@@@@@@@@@@D
DeleteWhat's the big deal? Who cares if rich is extremity? It doesn't take a genius to fool monica, and no one else cares.
DeleteHa ha ha Backing out now?
DeleteWho are you talking to anon 3:03?
Delete@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@D
DeleteOh Monica..........
DeleteWhere for art thou oh Monica? Did you forget to warn your little friend about personal emails? Still think you're in the lead?
What are you gonna do to him, Biaatch?
DeleteAre you sure you want to be disrespectful right now? Is that really how you want to play the game?
DeleteThere are certain traps you always fall into, Monica, because of your narcissism. And there are certain mistakes you never learn from, because of your narcissism. Now I'm going to have to punish your friend for his mistake in trusting you, and for his own foolishness. Prepare yourself. This is about to get really ugly. :)
DeleteYou low Bitch
DeleteAre you going to put a young kid trying to recover from drug addictions info up on here like you put your own daughters info on here.
Just a penny for your thoughts ;) a bad one of course! A posse of badass
DeleteAre you going to start being nice? Your friend is depending on you, and trusting you. You don't know what my hand is. Do you really want to play with his life by letting your emotions get to you?
DeleteYou have kids. Would you want someone to mess with them, just to be a rank asshole? If you put his info up here, the answer is "yes". You have no respect for a young man struggling to better himself. We will wait and see who and what you are made of.
DeleteBack the fuck off of me and my family. I mean it and you will never hear from me again.
DeleteYou really think that putting his info on SW is the worst thing I could do with the info I have? I don't think you understand the full severity of your friend's mistake. As I don't think he understood what a dumb bitch he took on as his team player. I know you have it in you to suck it up, and start being a bit nicer than you are right now.
DeleteOur computers is compromised, all of our phones are compromised, threats to kill???????????? I have kept my end of this in all aspects. I am SCARED as hell and you are telling me to be nice??
DeleteThreats to kill? Where are you reading that? I think you might need to take one of your pills. Which one do you need right now? Blue ones? Red ones? Yellow? Take them down with some liquor too.
DeleteI have the threat. I have everything. I just want you to please please get off my computer, phone...everything. Locations of logins are all documented.....compromised accounts confirmed. I just want left alone. I am begging u
DeleteYou can thank Monica for all her slander and shit talking. She forgets that these walls have ears. Or you could say... messengers. :) Thank Monica. I want to see you thank her for all the smack she talks.
DeleteEden/Extremity
DeleteDon't fuck with a young kid who came to SW to get help. You have kids. Enough said and drop it.
Are you going to put a young kid trying to recover from drug addictions info up on here
DeleteHe's not trying to recover at all. He's swimming in legal and illegal drugs day in, day out. He's a fucking leech on society and his parents. Trash like that should be put down like stray dogs.
Eden
DeleteBe a person, not an animal.
Go spend time with your kids and take a break from this shit.
DeleteFirst of all, Extremity is not Eden. And it would help your case greatly if you would admit that right here on SW. Then apologize for blaming Eden for all the anonymous comments that your delusional ass keeps lying about.
DeleteDid not post 815. For record
DeleteRich needs to have his info posted here. Something needs to slap him in the face and get him to snap out of it. His parents sure won't. Monica sure won't. She's just as bad with coddling/enabling him as his mother. 24 is no damn kid, though he sure as hell lives and acts like one. Post his details, Extremity. It can only help give him the wake up call he so badly needs.
DeleteAs you wish. I will start with his area code first.
Delete(561)
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DeleteKeep talking your hateful trash Monica. His life is in your hands.
I like playing Strengths as weaknesses. It's an old interview trick: "What would you consider your weaknesses?" So pick something that is really a strength and manipulate the language so it sounds like you're answering the question, but still promoting yourself.
ReplyDeleteAlso I love fighting. Admittedly boxing is less exciting for me than say, UFC MMA, but still.
Towards the end of my relationship with my Narc Ex I would do stuff like this just to watch him go. He'd take something that he thought he could use to humiliate me, and I'd turn it around on him and make him look like an incredible ass. Heh. It was pretty fun at times, especially when I wasn't worried about losing him anymore.
How was your vacation from SW, Haven?
Delete"It was pretty fun at times, especially when I wasn't worried about losing him anymore."
I always say to my bpd daughter that if you can't take or leave some guy you can't have him. Period end.
Aw, I've missed it here. It's so fun and the drama never stops. It's nice to have the drama here and not in my actual life, which has just been way too busy. Hoping things will calm down and I can hang out here some more =)
DeleteBPD daughter? We're a broken hearted bunch, no? Pretty damn resilient though.
Nice... leverage IS everything!
DeleteHaven, it's good to hear from you. After reading your post and the comment from UKan Laff 9:54AM I am reminded that it is about strengths and weakness in a value sense. Once something is seen as a strength or a weakness it becomes valuable. View something as neither a strength or weakness and it is valueless... I no longer care about it. I like to find things about myself that other's may see as a weakness but I have no view on what-so-ever, then I flaunt the "weakness" in order to provoke attack. Sometimes this exposes a "devil" for what they are. Once a "devil" is exposed and all around amazed at how this "devil" could attack such a "weak" person then you are completely justified in doing whatever you want to your adversary.
Values: "Know yourself and know your enemy"
::smiles:: it's good to be heard from.
DeleteIt is about values. One of the things that frustrated the fuck out of my narc ex was that I was so changeable and unpredictable. I tend to be very rigid about some things (which he thought he could use against me), but I'm also impulsive, and I can change my mind without notice based on my needs. He thought he could control me, I accepted that there were some things that were out of my control with him, so I took everything out of control completely. I dropped my rigidity, flipped to something completely open, and he lost all his hard collected power over me. I knew what he valued, power/control/prestige. He's a narc, it's all about looking good and being on top, but more importantly, having other people below you. So I took that away in terms of myself. It worked against him hard. And it worked out extremely well for me in the long run (even though I hadn't predicted such benefits.
Oh my it sometimes seem very stressfull being a socio.All those games. Sometimes I am so glad I am just me. With all my failures. I can always relax depending on just being humanly me, with all the good and the bad.With no effort.
ReplyDeleteWhere you see stressful, I see boredom. It must be very boring since there seems to be a constant need for so many games.
DeleteTheme for Extremity
ReplyDeleteHa ha That is a nice theme for Extremity.
ReplyDeleteEvent Series
ReplyDeleteTheme for Monica Moo
DeleteHaven!
ReplyDeleteShouldn't you be reading emails or something? Don't make me go by the downward spiral and tell on you! ;) Kidding, haha. How are you, kiddo?
I am I swear! Really! I'm so behind, ugh. Remind me why I thought it would be a good idea to over analyze my life and encourage people to talk to me? Hahaha, on second thought maybe let's not.
DeleteI'm doing okay. I'm in emotional numb land at the moment b/c of the break up, but I only drank one bottle of wine last night and was still productive at work today, so that's kind of like being functional right?
How are you holding up?
High as fuck, beyotch!
DeleteKidding, but seriously, I'm doped up 24/7 and it's pissing me off. I hate it, but the alternative is just as bad. Hopefully I can get on some new meds.
I feel sorry for you, reading all these sad emails from people every day ;( Hide your email for a while, haha. Let yourself catch up, then make it public again.
I wanna be high! Except I don't do that haha. Here's hoping for new, less fun, meds.
DeleteHeehee. Oh they're not all sad. Most are pretty good for my oh so fragile ego filled with praise and thanks for sharing my crappy life haha.
Not a bad idea though. I could use a break.
Event Series
ReplyDeleteWelcome Back Haven from Themes
DeleteAw thanks Themes =) You're the best.
Delete=)
Delete"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule. - H.L. Mencken"
ReplyDeleteThis is profound, and true. I know that virtually everyone here will disagree with me, but I contend that this is because we are created in the image of God- sociopaths included. If God really did create everything, then God is a POWERFUL ruler- the issue of free-will and how it impacts creation notwithstanding. Interesting that He should also be our personal saviour.
At the very least, these archetypes are profoundly embedded in our collective human consciousness. Huh.
/Christian pondering.
The world is a mess and I just need to rule it.
DeleteIf God really did create everything, then God is a POWERFUL ruler- the issue of free-will and how it impacts creation notwithstanding. Interesting that He should also be our personal saviour.
Deletedo you think God has a penis?
Circular/Insular logic is a wonderful thing, isn't it =P
DeleteI believe that God is Spirit, and that he was once incarnate as a man. Logic has nothing to do with belief. That's why it's called faith. It is fueled by hope, not fact.
DeleteI choose to have hope, even in the face of great odds.
Oh, and suck it, Zoe. :)
DeleteI know. You can believe whatever you like. I prefer a different route.
Deleteso is that no? no god penis?
DeleteDidn't I just tell you to suck mine? :D
Delete:)
Deletein whose image was it made, pray tell?
DeleteThe one whose image I am not currently well representing, Zoe.
Delete:)
ME wrote...
ReplyDeleteYour key lies in playing your strengths off as a weaknesses, luring you opponent into a false sense of security where they fall into a trap of playing your game. In the same way you play your weaknesses off as strengths, deterring them from attacking you where you have no game.
narcissists can't do this.
^That sounds like an old SW regular.
Deletewho?
DeleteYou tell me. Can you think of an SW regular who always played their strengths as weaknesses?
DeleteUKan?
DeleteLOL Never mind Zoe!! Rest that pretty head of yours. :)
Deleteno rest for the wicked - or wickedly tired. so who is it?
Deletenotme?
Deletemonica?
DeleteMonica? You just said narcissists can't do it.
Deletemaybe she's playing rope-a-dope?
DeleteWow this got way off topic!! I think the old expression, play a sucker to catch a sucker is the point to the thread here.
ReplyDeleteME wrote...
ReplyDeleteI want to know from the readers if you've used this strategy? How successful was it for you? How did you pull it off and when did you decide to strike?
i love to play dumb. it's amazing what people will give up. and so funny to see the expressions change when/if you turn it around.
not showing all your strengths is also useful at work. everyone likes to feel smart. it puts people at ease. the narcissistic yappy types never seem to get that. they always go in with all their guns lazing. YES WE HEAR YOU. YOU'RE WONDERFUL!!!! ha.:)
"i love to play dumb. it's amazing what people will give up. and so funny to see the expressions change when/if you turn it around. "
DeleteI learned this tactic watching The Andy Griffith Show. Dumb like a...
i learned it watching Columbo
DeleteCan sociopaths love material objects? I do. Like I could never even imagine life without my phone.
ReplyDeletelol that's not love, that's need. tomato tomahto maybe, but still...
DeleteI don't think it's love or need, just comfort in convenience. You couldn't imagine life without it, but if push came to shove, you'd make do.
Deletei love my blackberry :)
DeleteI love lamp...
DeleteOh, lamp.
Deletethere is shit in the beef!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't like when people have any concrete information about me that isn't needed. I go out of my way to downplay praise as well. It's annoying. I also like to be avoidant about trivial questions and ask really dumb questions while quietly completing difficult aspects of the same task.
ReplyDeleteMostly because it's amusing, and people eventually pick up on the fact I'm not really serious. Although they can't tell where the joke ends and reality begins, and that's the whole idea. Plus, it's funny.
I do agree with much you have to say here. Be aware of a possible blind-spot of your own:
Delete"Although they can't tell where the joke ends and reality begins, and that's the whole idea. "
You THINK others are not on to your reality... think... be careful not to confuse "think" with "know".
I don't really care if they assume either extreme or anywhere in between. It's mostly in the context of work or similar activities.
DeleteRichard W.
ReplyDeleteYour phone number was not found on your email. It was found on your very public Twitter account. Do you know how much info one can get from a phone number on the internet?
P.S. You can thank Monica for daring me to go after you with her fat narcissistic mouth. :D
DeleteBlame someone else for your being a low class fucking asshole, Eden.
DeleteYou see Richard? What kind of friend she is when it's down to the wire. She can't shut her hateful mouth for two minutes for the sake of your anonymity.
DeleteYou tried to use him for your stupid games and when it didn't turn out, you threatened to put all his info on SW. Who is the disgusting piece of shit, Eden?
DeleteAt least, you didn't put his info up. I will give you credit for that.
You have kids and you have some feeling for the fact that he is a young person.
Actually, because you are such a stupid bitch and can't shut your fat narc mouth. All his info goes up now. Better start begging. I have a phone number and addresses. Some chick's info he cyber stalks. Keep talking trash,Monica. Keep showing what a fucking selfish cunt you really are.
DeleteChristmas is coming...
DeleteMonica... how much do you care about your friend Richard W.?
DeleteOopsie! Little correction. I think the number I started to post was for that methadone clinic Rich goes to. May have to call it to find out. Here is part of his personal number, just so we are clear that I have what I say I have. (561) 479-
DeleteNighty night. See you on the morrow if we need to continue this. :D
I knew you had a heart, so I appealed to it. You have kids. You are not a bad person.You hate some people on here. That is cool, but don't hurt an innocent person. Blessings.
DeleteLOL you think you are so damn wise! You don't even know who you're talking to. :)
DeletePeace <3
DeleteAnd a ghostly hush came over all of SW.......
ReplyDelete:)
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ReplyDeleteI sometimes act even more clueless than I actually am. Letting people explain things give me a more accurate view of what they think. Acting oblivious makes people talk as if you are not there. Then they act shocked when you say something that shows insight, may even start thinking you are smarter than you are.
ReplyDeleteThis can be used to win arguments if the person you are arguing against is saying something absurd. Allowing them to explain their own dumb side of things can sometimes kill their credibility more than attacking them can.
I automatically try to pass off my weaknesses as strengths without thinking about it. Everyone does this to an extent, for survival. For example shy people describe themselves as introverts because it sounds intellectual, and shy may be interpreted as cowardly.