tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post7934732635407116299..comments2024-03-28T00:33:57.308-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: Emotional moral judgmentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger98125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-48846934989106628532011-08-23T07:38:47.027-07:002011-08-23T07:38:47.027-07:00I know I'm far too late with this but: HAPPY 3...I know I'm far too late with this but: HAPPY 3RD BIRTHDAY SOCIOPATHWORLD! :DWheatleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02779847997410505356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-54378256127466337632011-08-20T16:42:55.584-07:002011-08-20T16:42:55.584-07:00This is interesting to me because kids with high I...This is interesting to me because kids with high IQs (over 140) have been observed by researchers to have a stronger sense of justice then typical kids, plus advanced "unemotional moral reasoning", as you call it. (Example: Gifted kids from the age of 10-12 onward will argue that stealing a lifesaving drug for someone is not wrong, because preventing death is more important than not committing theft. This is apparently not the usual reaction.) The initial emotional response must trigger the advanced reasoning ability that gifted kids and adults have, making their convictions about justice and morality stronger than the norm. So I would theorize that in fact this combination is the "best" way of doing things, as it seems to produce the most significant results. And weirdly, I agree with some of the stuff you say, for example about seeing inconsistencies in people's professed political beliefs, but I'm definitely not a sociopath. I might have an emotional response, but I step back and reason things out, just like you do. It's just not about understanding to fit in, it's about understanding for its own sake.Liz212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-27029984653643669872011-08-17T20:42:18.956-07:002011-08-17T20:42:18.956-07:00I think making it a matter of valence is essential...I think making it a matter of valence is essentially missing the point of the study...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-47032039663125667712011-08-16T19:52:29.086-07:002011-08-16T19:52:29.086-07:00You sociopaths seem to advertize and promote this ...You sociopaths seem to advertize and promote this idea out of some need to justification; that neurotypes, and consequently sociopaths, are necessary.<br /><br />EVERYONE thinks their type of person is "necessary" <br /><br />Because everyone wants to be "right"<br /><br />You are right if when you do the things you do, you know your head and heart are working in synch. <br /><br />Arrogant sociopathic types, they can move people into action with their single track mind. <br /><br />Do they put it to a greater "use" ?<br /><br />If there are so many in this world (like Bill Clinton ?!!?) where's my free fuckin' healthcare?Bellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-7394259677145094392011-08-16T07:16:22.845-07:002011-08-16T07:16:22.845-07:00It wasn't meant for you. I actually took your ...It wasn't meant for you. I actually took your post in the existencialist sense, wich is in accord to what I was saying (that there is no 'natural' reason to <i>be</i>... it must be built from a notion of god or something else, like ideals or objectives)AMoralBingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-33897254995795676052011-08-16T06:31:59.322-07:002011-08-16T06:31:59.322-07:00'Either claim divine justification for your ex...'Either claim divine justification for your existance or create an artificial moral value that promotes your presence in society'<br /><br /><br />Neither is necessary. And I wasn't talking literally or about natural design. Evolution can take place within a single lifetime, I simply mean 'moving forward' in one's own life, their own offspring etc, not anything beyond that concern.notmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-28132264985788112612011-08-16T05:46:51.081-07:002011-08-16T05:46:51.081-07:00What's with this claim to evolutionary rightfu...What's with this claim to evolutionary rightfulness, people?<br /><br />You sociopaths seem to advertize and promote this idea out of some need to justification; that neurotypes, and consequently sociopaths, are necessary.<br /><br />It's like saying there's an evolutionary road to be maintained, so there'd be justification for neurotypes. This is complete bullshit. You're mirroring the 'natural design' concept.<br /><br />Either claim divine justification for your existance or create an artificial moral value that promotes your presence in society. There is no in-between...AMoralBingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-91888555745877120062011-08-16T04:27:09.010-07:002011-08-16T04:27:09.010-07:00*based on your own self also related...
night*based on your own self also related...<br /><br />nightBellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-276823158651490472011-08-16T04:24:33.824-07:002011-08-16T04:24:33.824-07:00This is not real remorse in my eyes because it ref...This is not real remorse in my eyes because it reflects the self, not the effect your actions had on another. <br /><br />This is like self pity. <br /><br />Isn't remorse based on how others feel that also related to a certain amount of lack of empathy? You only see (or want to see, sometimes) your own self?Bellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-10397909736731865602011-08-15T23:28:39.400-07:002011-08-15T23:28:39.400-07:00@Bella
I witness plenty of remorse, or deep regr...@Bella <br /><br />I witness plenty of remorse, or deep regret, in this world but not for actions towards others but towards oneself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-67203884089124524612011-08-15T23:26:02.144-07:002011-08-15T23:26:02.144-07:00I do not see much remorse in this world. Only in t...I do not see much remorse in this world. Only in the movies, now.<br /><br />I watched 'Inception' again. Now that is remorse.Bellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-36160836987550633522011-08-15T23:03:18.602-07:002011-08-15T23:03:18.602-07:00@notme
Intensity and existentialism FTW@notme <br /><br />Intensity and existentialism FTWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-78510072661833414552011-08-15T22:56:54.092-07:002011-08-15T22:56:54.092-07:00@Bella
Oh, I agree. Because our culture is one of...@Bella<br /><br />Oh, I agree. Because our culture is one of black and white moral oppositions, to the logical extreme, it's easy for anyone with cruel intentions to be taken at face value as morally 'good' simply by exploiting morally 'good' stereotypes to act the part. <br /><br />The more atomised society becomes the more people rely on stereotypes to guide them – which is a tragedy in itself – but also because all too often moral leniency in society is only afforded to those with the capacity to mimic morally 'good' stereotypes. <br /><br />Why the ability to 'demonstrate' (the appearance of) 'remorse' is considered to be indicative of anything other than the ability to 'demonstrate' (the appearance of) 'remorse' is beyond me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-28149430206976226012011-08-15T22:48:54.887-07:002011-08-15T22:48:54.887-07:00In reference to my earlier comment as Anon above, ...In reference to my earlier comment as Anon above, I will argue for the position and value of being an extreme. When there is an excess, say, emotion or lack thereof, it allows one to understand better (with application of the mind), that which is absent or lacking in them. It therefore creates the potential for more depth of insight than those who possess a little of everything, but not a vast amount of anything. It means the extreme can re-balance itself, with some application like I said, and even appear/ be more sane than most, for it's through knowing the emptiness and the absurdity of what we are and what we are expected to be, the ultimate futility behind those curious questions about ourselves, that we can become much wiser, self-aware, and therefore, benefical components in the evolutionary journey. <br /><br />In reference to the post today, a knowledge of what we are lacking, is one of the most powerful tools we can possess.notmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-91081466569499798762011-08-15T22:34:03.329-07:002011-08-15T22:34:03.329-07:00However moral principles blind people to their int...However moral principles blind people to their intuition because they concentrate attention upon social constructions of right and wrong - they shut it down and repress it.<br /><br />I think sociopaths are very adept at making another person doubt their intuition. They will spew morals and ask hypotheticals to the point at which you just say "Ok stfu, enough already. Do what you want, take what you want. I give up. You're right, I'm wrong."Bellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-31207533152015943142011-08-15T22:21:43.275-07:002011-08-15T22:21:43.275-07:00Lycan said "I replace good and evil with &quo...Lycan said "I replace good and evil with "should" or "should not" be done. But that of course is dependent on my view of it at that time."<br /><br />I have this too. Here I am with an open mind and shifting boundaries, and then I go about "shoulding" <br /><br />This rigidity cramping me all the time mixed with a sort of moral leniency is like grinding gears unnecessarily. And it's noisy. <br /><br />AMoralBeing, thanks. I really like Haven's blog.Bellanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-64172388850345107442011-08-15T22:18:52.958-07:002011-08-15T22:18:52.958-07:00Respect my authority!Respect my authority!Middle-class White Judeo-Christian Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-23568514577509961272011-08-15T22:15:29.110-07:002011-08-15T22:15:29.110-07:00IDKIDKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-71514350524281984662011-08-15T22:15:13.705-07:002011-08-15T22:15:13.705-07:00do indigenous peeps overright intuition and instin...do indigenous peeps overright intuition and instinctive wisdom with rules made up by middle class white judao christen menSackyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-60578471125152123442011-08-15T21:58:26.090-07:002011-08-15T21:58:26.090-07:00"I don't see their 'emotional' mo..."I don't see their 'emotional' moral outrage as an inferior sense of judgment."<br /><br />Hmmm. But moral outrage is just an emotional response to a perceived *collective* threat, no?<br /><br />It's a conditioned response to a dominant set of principles, AKA morals, as part of a society's (ongoing) socialisation. <br /><br />Emotional moral reason is not intuition.<br /><br />However moral principles blind people to their intuition because they concentrate attention upon social constructions of right and wrong - they shut it down and repress it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-87078942488087578102011-08-15T21:37:57.401-07:002011-08-15T21:37:57.401-07:00The self-professed principled/moral sociopath vs t...The self-professed principled/moral sociopath vs the self-professed ammoral uber empath. Oh the irony. Probably one of the strangest twists in human nature. Truth is, it makes sense that what some people shirk from emotional instinct (the child as u say) doesn't then need the reinforcement of a thought-out 'code.' And of course, the opposite is true. Much like children are envied for their innocence, I don't see their 'emotional' moral outrage as an inferior sense of judgment. If we can rationalise everything in the world, to the point of apathy, we would lose a great deal of compelling, charismatic individuals in the world, very often childlike themselves.<br /><br />I admit, I have a hard, strange time hearing an unemotional type who preaches morality, and I spot the 'unemotional' bit from a mile away. It's precisely the feeling you'd get when say, a Professor in Mathmatics is having 2+2 explained to him like a dummy. <br />I do wonder, no natural conscience = a stronger rational morality, does this lead to a more reliable, trustworthy and consistent person, or is that lack of conscience gonna creep back out from time to time?<br />I'd say, believe not, for he who declares himself holy, is probably the grubbiest around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-40750552621147104882011-08-15T20:46:17.043-07:002011-08-15T20:46:17.043-07:00what is wrong with you people, it's only monda...what is wrong with you people, it's only monday!!! you hurts my brain<br /><br />i have no idea what pms said up there but it sounded smartZoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-44608091977179278612011-08-15T20:33:36.548-07:002011-08-15T20:33:36.548-07:00tik said...
For Zoe, answering your question from ...<b><i>tik said...<br />For Zoe, answering your question from last night, I don't question my beliefs, thats not why I'm here.</i></b><br /><br />oh ok :)<br /><br />i knew someone who was hanging around with the "wrong" crowd and lost her beliefs. but she was more of a thinker than a feeler.Zoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-47452546715282083392011-08-15T18:49:34.545-07:002011-08-15T18:49:34.545-07:00Morals are good. Somebody needs to tow the line, i...Morals are good. Somebody needs to tow the line, if not we might actually have to do some real work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-18503161313250837682011-08-15T18:44:10.330-07:002011-08-15T18:44:10.330-07:00Did someone call for a clown?Did someone call for a clown?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com