tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post7307890353532356152..comments2024-03-28T00:33:57.308-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: Another sociopath story (part 4)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-26661805063854571842010-01-25T07:14:30.787-08:002010-01-25T07:14:30.787-08:00(Saa) amazing. ur quite like my brother. however h...(Saa) amazing. ur quite like my brother. however he is not a sociopath...he has spent too many years obsessing with how people perceive him, so much so that he has gotten sloppy with his walter mitty lies and exaggerations. he has been in the same job in the same town too long, run out of women to seduce and have 2 year drama riddled relationships with, let alone one night stands. now he is 39 and panicked, losing his looks, and racking his brains as to why the deeply disturbing disquiet in his heart, yet he knows he has never really pushed his abilities (he could have been a writer but never wanted to risk failing so chose the bar-trade instead). such gross underachievment made for an easy life, a life of showy excesses, coke, chicks and a LOT of games and verbalised bulls*it. <br />but now he is tired, empty, hungry, full, bored and uncomfortable. the wild entertainer he used to love being irriates him, in fact everything has lost his flavour, and being human, generous and innately kind and empathic (he tried to hide these sides from people and appear masterful and cold) the horrors of where to go next have him gripped and confused. i dont know what to say to him. he has enough awareness but a lot more refusal to just stop, save and dig up some old dreams he has long buried in scorn and apathy. S i love you, cop on to urself!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-90109116216040488062010-01-24T09:59:46.437-08:002010-01-24T09:59:46.437-08:00speech impediments as well
tough one<b><i>speech impediments as well</i></b><br />tough oneKarrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15154915080919837218noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-47490379751924142042010-01-23T10:53:00.739-08:002010-01-23T10:53:00.739-08:00"When you start to think wholesale humanity, ..."When you start to think wholesale humanity, you lose the ingredients that make people human. It doesn’t matter if you genetically change skin color or if you genetically impose empathy and a conscience, you by default become less human."<br /><br />That is an interesting way to put it.<br /><br />Kudos for coming up with that "Joy of Cooking by Hannibal Dahmer" type of metaphor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-72919297556988454092010-01-23T10:26:51.091-08:002010-01-23T10:26:51.091-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-18594610387922340532010-01-23T10:20:42.452-08:002010-01-23T10:20:42.452-08:00No, no they don't. Trust me, I live in AK.No, no they don't. Trust me, I live in AK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45693166740115193512010-01-23T10:10:07.950-08:002010-01-23T10:10:07.950-08:00The inuit didn't mess around.
http://www.ranp...The inuit didn't mess around.<br /><br />http://www.ranprieur.com/readings/americanpsycho.htmlaspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45440333809847396392010-01-23T08:55:30.369-08:002010-01-23T08:55:30.369-08:00Aspie: ”There are S's out there giving advice ...<b>Aspie:</b> <i>”There are S's out there giving advice and giving others a glimpse into how they think. They do this I feel because it strokes their ego…”</i><br /><br />I think you’re right about that, I definitely have an inclination to brag, but of course I can’t really brag to anyone in the real world, so perhaps that is what I’m getting out of this.<br /><br /><b>Daniel:</b> <i>”That’s why accurate self understanding is so important.”</i><br /><br />I couldn’t agree more. I like myself and I like how I am, but I would like to understand it all a bit better. Call it a personal fetish, I’d like to have a better understanding of how I work. However, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that I can’t be honest with real people, so I have to work it out myself. <br /><br /><b>Anonymous:</b> <i>”What comes around does go around, eventually.”</i><br /><br />If one honestly subscribed to that idea (I do not), then an obvious antidote is to inflict so much harm that when the payback comes you cannot possibly survive it, so you get out of the payback through death. :)Dionysusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-14727042105414700862010-01-23T08:36:22.461-08:002010-01-23T08:36:22.461-08:00Hi Daniel,
Thanks for the comments.
I have, now...Hi Daniel,<br /><br />Thanks for the comments. <br /><br />I have, now and then, tried to be completely honest with people in real life a few times in the past as well, though not over a set time period or with everyone. Instead it was a very individual thing between me and another. In one instance it was with the person that I have – and still do – consider my “best friend” or at least my longest held friend (we’ve known each other for over twenty years) and I am fairly confident he is just as much a sociopath as I am, though he has a different style and methodology. That was a complete disaster, because it became crystal clear the second I opened my mouth that it was a total mistake. I could actually see the derision and contempt in his eyes, it was very much the same look I would give someone who did the same to me (except prey, of course, but that is different). <br /><br />The weird result of this was that afterwards he just went away without saying or doing anything, but giving the impression that our association had lost its usefulness to him. I, on the other hand, had a compulsion to show him that I hadn’t lost my edge and went more or less on a spree among the people that associated with both of us causing as much damage and chaos as I could. My little rampage was really quite obnoxious even by my own standards, but also a lot of fun too. It seemed to have worked, as my friend never mentioned my little momentary lapse again and ever since we’ve gotten on very much the same as we always have. <br /><br />In another instance, it was not meant so much as an experiment on myself, but was basically a desperate effort to drive someone away that had gotten far too attached. It was one of the few times when even with all my inherent depravity I couldn’t chase someone away. At the beginning it was the same as it usually goes and I just took her for all she was worth and she gave it all up, anything I wanted, everything. All I wanted her for was some money and sex and she gave both up freely and that should have been the end of it. I switched into the normal “chase away mode” and became extremely domineering forcing her to humiliate and demean herself in better and better ways. Most people eventually reach a breaking point and run away and that is what I wanted, but she wouldn’t leave.<br /><br />It got really bad because I had already made up my mind to the idea that I wasn’t going to be the one to back down, so the only option she had was to leave (or, I suppose, kill me). But she just wouldn’t leave. After a couple months of this, I sat her down and was completely honest with her and detailed our entire relationship from the very beginning as I saw it and as I thought about it. Whatever she thought about this, it wasn’t enough to make her leave. It ended up in some sort of really weird S&M fantasy situation: she lost her job because I told her if she left she wouldn’t get back in; she was out of contact with all her friends and family for months because I demanded if she was going to stay she could only think about me, and so on. Still she wouldn’t leave. <br /><br />Without going into detail, she actually won, I left; but it cost her virtually her entire life and any possible shred of pride or self-respect she could have had. She really endured things that frankly very few people live to tell about, but she did it all willingly; all she had to do at any point was leave and I made sure to reemphasize that point constantly, but she just wouldn’t do it. I learned a lot from this experience and it was one of those “life changing” ones in that it taught me I could do more than I had previously thought, that I get excited by things I had never even considered before and that sometimes taking things to extremes can be seriously exhilarating.Dionysusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-43948297526821604562010-01-23T08:33:10.678-08:002010-01-23T08:33:10.678-08:00If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a sociopa...If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a sociopath! :-PAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-19342471325939223232010-01-23T08:09:48.170-08:002010-01-23T08:09:48.170-08:00It just seems to me you are taking your anger at t...It just seems to me you are taking your anger at the S partially out on their victims. Had this been someone you had been physically attracted to, you might feel differently. But I can understand the anger.<br /><br />I've read that what you are doing is very effective at throwing a wrench in the works so to speak.aspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-19891370220846914212010-01-23T08:00:02.410-08:002010-01-23T08:00:02.410-08:00As the person who called empaths who stay with soc...As the person who called empaths who stay with socios "jackasses," I stand by my opionion. Because my socio friend and I were on different coasts for much of the 20 years I knew him, I was unaware of his little problem. When I became his roommate and he pulled his shit on me, I thought to myself, "You just fucked with the WRONG person." Little does he know the IRS is going to be investigating him real soon, and if he can't pay up he'll do time. Do I feel guilty? A bit, for a split second, and then I smile when I picture myself laughing all the way to the bank. Socios seem to brag in this forum about fucking people over, but don't think you may not meet your match someday. If my friend hadn't used me, I never would have been such an asshole to him. What comes around does go around, eventually.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11883747068864542862010-01-23T07:33:33.211-08:002010-01-23T07:33:33.211-08:00You could be right Aspie. Of course, I don’t cons...You could be right Aspie. Of course, I don’t consider myself pathological, which might explain why that wouldn’t apply to me. (You weren’t addressing me in any event, but I thought I’d go ahead and respond since I was still online.) In the anecdote above, I was unable to predict my own emotional response to my honesty experiment because I was under the mistaken impression that I was a normal. I was wrong. I didn’t know at the time just how wrong I was. To reiterate, had I known then what I know now, I could have easily predicted that I would not feel anything positive as a result of any misguided notions about honesty. That’s why accurate self understanding is so important. The best personality theories allow one to both explain and predict (imperfectly to be sure) future behavior. The “bad” personality theories are the opposite. I was laboring under a “bad” personality theory about myself at the time of my experiment, hence the inaccurate prediction.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-46537406707446471092010-01-23T07:19:44.655-08:002010-01-23T07:19:44.655-08:00One psychologist states that the biggest weakness ...One psychologist states that the biggest weakness of S is his inability to see or consider in a logical way future consequences beyond short term focused manipulations. Because he has no empathy, he cannot imagine future time in the same way as normals because he has no empathic connection with humans. A good part of most normals existence is in connecting with humans and it acts as an anchor. This is a huge weakness because it leads to very sloppy behavior.aspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-40212968663230806782010-01-23T07:00:26.878-08:002010-01-23T07:00:26.878-08:00Bringer of Madness (Dionysus):
First of all I hav...Bringer of Madness (Dionysus):<br /><br />First of all I have enjoyed reading your comments. <br /><br />Second, I wanted to add a thought on what you said here:<br /><br /><i>“So the idea here was to say what I really think publicly, or to be honest, as it were. The thinking was that perhaps this would be sort of a relief, or at least something new and interesting to do.<br /><br />However, my reaction is not what I thought it would be…”</i><br /><br />I did a personal development experiment six years ago inspired by the “Radical Honesty” concept. For about two weeks, I decided to be completely honest with the people in my personal life. I confessed a few things I thought I never would to them. I expected the same the same rush of relief you did. Although I did not become paranoid, what I did experience was absolutely nothing. I felt no relief, no lightness, no nothing. I was nonplussed. Fortunately, it didn’t cost me anything at the time and I promptly went back to keeping my own counsel. This was long before I considered that I might be a wee bit sociopathic and that therefore my brain responds differently to these things at a fundamental level. (I’m not a fan of these particular labels but what are you going to do?) Had I known then what I know now about myself I never would have done it. But you live and you learn. <br /><br />Anyway, good stuff you’re sharing.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-53484884738848994772010-01-23T06:43:08.214-08:002010-01-23T06:43:08.214-08:00A little paranoia's healthy for 'ya. There...A little paranoia's healthy for 'ya. There are S's out there giving advice and giving others a glimpse into how they think. They do this I feel because it strokes their ego and also because it's fun to play with a group and power structure and boundaries. And to bash a few who are clueless or non S crappy people. <br /><br />The goal and functioning of S is always manipulation and manipulative because that is the way they think and are. They often look for lets call it weakness and then develop a communication that calls it out so then they can work on it. They figure this out using various natural algorithms. And this can be applied to anything because there is always a motivation or reason behind a behavior. Possibly a complex of reasons of various strengths and vulnerabilities. But it is more than that though. They have unique to them abilities which make it particularly tough dealing with them. They have weaknesses too. The best thing to do is simple as abc and that is to be polite and get away.aspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-3699835833267766862010-01-23T05:32:50.491-08:002010-01-23T05:32:50.491-08:00The whole idea of my commenting here was something...The whole idea of my commenting here was something of an experiment. I am nowhere near stupid enough to share the way I really think with anyone in the real world and have no interest whatsoever in "coming out" as that wouldn't be very helpful in any respect. <br /><br />Nevertheless, I am fully aware that I am a pathological liar and that my entire life and absolutely all of my interactions with people are lies or built upon lies. I sort of romanticize this by thinking of it more as acting, and I am one hell of an actor. So the idea here was to say what I really think publicly, or to be honest, as it were. The thinking was that perhaps this would be sort of a relief, or at least something new and interesting to do.<br /><br />However, my reaction is not what I thought it would be. First, there is certainly no sense of relief at all, in fact quite the opposite is true. I feel a little paranoid that some of what I've written could some how be connected to me in the real world. Literally I started thinking about whether or not my roommates here could somehow see what I was writing or if my ISP kept a log of all correspondence, or how close my IP number is to associating things I've written with me personally. <br /><br />Now what the fuck is that? I am not a paranoid person at all, in any respect. In fact I like to mess with people once I realize I am being watched or spied upon. However, I don't think there is any denying that those reactions described above are irrationally paranoid and patently absurd. So, wtf? Is it some sort of neurological response to being honest in any way? Would being honest mean a life of irrational paranoia? Can a person be specifically designed in such a way that honesty is anathema? <br /><br />That weird side effect notwithstanding, after going back and reading what I wrote earlier, it is also odd because it seems, or perhaps "feels", like it is just another one of my characters as opposed to anything profoundly honest or personal. Everything I wrote was true and accurately represents how I see the world, but despite that truth it just seems like the scripted lines of yet another of my characters. So much for the whole Freudian nonsense about releasing suppressed truths. <br /><br />All of the above notwithstanding, I have to admit that I enjoyed writing that stuff last night, just as I seem to be enjoying writing this now. So perhaps it is the act of writing what I am thinking that I enjoy and then just consider the consequences of doing so as an annoying afterthought of no great merit or interest.<br /><br />I'll think I'll stick around a bit longer and continue the experiment.Dionysusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-75050589312083252132010-01-22T18:26:38.195-08:002010-01-22T18:26:38.195-08:00Here is an interesting link with a link to a free ...Here is an interesting link with a link to a free pdf file of the mask of sanity:<br /><br />http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htmaspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-36484408082296051682010-01-22T15:42:40.869-08:002010-01-22T15:42:40.869-08:00Dionysus, my strategy involves removing emotions t...<i>Dionysus, my strategy involves removing emotions toward and opinions about people from the decision making process.</i><br /><br />Very clever and it certainly seems like a good survival strategy to me. As noted above, predators - including myself - are usually opportunistic and go after the easiest target available, so you would probably be too much trouble. Luckily you're an exception to the rule, not the norm, so there is plenty of prey dancing around the fringes of the herd awaiting my company. :)Dionysusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-24533069189135623912010-01-22T15:24:31.510-08:002010-01-22T15:24:31.510-08:00Dionysus, my strategy involves removing emotions t...Dionysus, my strategy involves removing emotions toward and opinions about people from the decision making process. Regardless of my feelings, if I were compelled to do something, I would first decide what potential impact it could have on my life. As previously stated, you would be focused on manipulating the emotions, while I would be looking at the potential impact of my choices.<br /><br />This is exactly the mentality I would expect from a sociopath, and exactly the mentality that would fail.Aspie #2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-27068018422581386232010-01-22T14:58:48.116-08:002010-01-22T14:58:48.116-08:00I like thinking back on earlier helpful experience...I like thinking back on earlier helpful experiences, but it is a bit odd as I have a very selective memory. I remember that aspie girl quite well compared to most things at that time. She was quite cute, but a total social moron and we took the same school bus which is how we met. She was one of my first experiments on how to use confidence building as means of seduction as opposed to sheer charm. She was also the first time I had to pull out all the stops to coerce a woman into having an abortion. However, I really can't remember anything she ever said, not even what her voice sounded like. But, I know she was quite lovely when she cried and had really cute little squeek when she did so. Its odd what I remember and what I don't.Dionysusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-9681824142949180382010-01-22T14:37:17.659-08:002010-01-22T14:37:17.659-08:00I am a little more emotional thinking I guess. I d...I am a little more emotional thinking I guess. I do have the rigid moral code thing happening but on the other hand I enjoy strategizing and finding ways to win, especially in very tough situations, the tougher the better. Part of my motivation to do this can be from emotions/feelings and I guess some curiosity. I connect emotionally the most to music. I don't think I would want to keep any socios as friends around me. I prefer kind and true people. No offense to socios intended or anything.aspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-15702800744640966162010-01-22T14:21:13.804-08:002010-01-22T14:21:13.804-08:00So, being manipulated becomes largely irrelevant. ...<i>So, being manipulated becomes largely irrelevant. They're focusing on working your emotions, and you're examining the situation rationally while presenting a semi-emotional facade.</i><br /><br />I am not very familiar with the whole AS thing, and what I know just comes from some online reading. However, assuming the symptoms and characteristics described are accurate, I am pretty sure I've seduced a few aspies before, the methodology just differs a bit. <br /><br />Assuming the person I am thinking of was really an aspie, my first was in high school and she certainly seems to fit the description. The difference is that to seduce them you appeal their mind first and the emotions follow, as opposed to the inverse which is more common. The prerequisites were: a) she knew there was something wrong with her and it made her insecure and alienated; b) she believed I was smart enough that my advice should be taken seriously and believed I wanted to help her; and c) I played her insecurities, but in a positive confidence-building way as opposed to a derogatory confidence-sapping way.<br /><br />I encouraged her, more rationally than anything else, to just ignore her insecurities and by pointing out all the tell-tale signs of insecurities in others, even the most popular kids. The idea worked reasonably well, first she became my friend and then her emotions caught up. I was really young at the time and much less refined than I am now and it ended horribly for her, but was a helpful experience for me. I know there have been some other cases as well where this differing methodology worked better, but I am not sure they were really aspies.Dionysusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-28267001675045587892010-01-22T14:16:35.280-08:002010-01-22T14:16:35.280-08:00Well, I'm really not that vengeful. I don'...Well, I'm really not that vengeful. I don't care so much about making them suffer because of what they've done, I just tend to get lost in the fun of finding a way to do it and seeing if it works. Sort of like building and executing a strategy in chess. It's just a delight, especially when it all goes according to plan. Then I go on living like it never happened. If they do it again, so do I. If they don't, I treat them well.<br /><br />I guess I take it as a challenge, more than anything. An invitation to play. lol it's weird, but it is what it is.Aspie #2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-34929537996900539332010-01-22T14:06:19.076-08:002010-01-22T14:06:19.076-08:00Thanks for the honest answer Dionysus.
That's...Thanks for the honest answer Dionysus.<br /><br />That's interesting Aspie #2. I think I can relate to some of that. I'm pretty vengeful too if wronged, and can be a little devious.aspienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11500834968358831092010-01-22T13:44:04.327-08:002010-01-22T13:44:04.327-08:00Sociopaths aren't so bad, especially not if yo...Sociopaths aren't so bad, especially not if you're an aspie. I cope with my naivety and eagerness to help by examining anything I feel compelled to do, for any reason, to make sure it's in my best interest. If it's not, I don't do it, and if it involves other people, I come up with a believable lie involving feelings, principles, logic, whatever the situation calls for.<br /><br />Empaths believe it no problem, and sociopaths are baffled, because you show no signs of recognizing their game, yet for some reason you aren't behaving as expected. Unless they've known you for a long time, they have no idea why you really decided not to do whatever you were supposed to, because you just lied in a way that's consistent with your personality.<br /><br />So, being manipulated becomes largely irrelevant. They're focusing on working your emotions, and you're examining the situation rationally while presenting a semi-emotional facade. They can't get in your face about being paranoid, because you never accuse them of anything, (nor do you really care), and really... well, unless they know exactly what you're really doing, and they're better at thinking everything through and coming up with a plan that appears to be in your best interest, there's not much they can do to directly harm you.<br /><br />Defamation, etc, would all still work, but then it's only a matter of time before you find out what they're up to and react. I react pretty badly, personally, with a habit of paying people back threefold. You key my car, I take a baseball bat to yours. You defame me, and all the dirty little secrets I've collected about you over the years subtly start to surface, embellished enough to make it string more than it should, but not enough to make it less believable. That sort of mentality.<br /><br />Seems to work well for me.<br />I've had a lot of pleasant relationships with sociopaths.<br /><br />In fact, they usually wind up being more honest with me about how they see the world, what they want etc. I think they appreciate the fact that I just don't care, and that I'm happy to offer advice for their schemes. (I just want to see if it will work... a product of my curiosity)Aspie #2noreply@blogger.com