tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post6818866267530160471..comments2024-03-28T00:33:57.308-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: More on empathyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger111125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-48923857539087031782013-07-09T07:54:00.794-07:002013-07-09T07:54:00.794-07:00I don't know! My example, and your example (yo...I don't know! My example, and your example (yourself) are limiting cases that strain the definition of a sociopath. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765609009222414952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45168420802824206332013-07-09T07:34:12.598-07:002013-07-09T07:34:12.598-07:00Well yes, I am a volunteer science and math tutor,...Well yes, I am a volunteer science and math tutor, a mostly-vegetarian, and I am studying to become a biochemist. I am also not a sociopath, so your question entirely misses the point of my thought experiment. When empaths like you and myself play nice, we benefit by benefitting our allies. Of course we also gain a reputation for scrupulous honesty as well, but this is also a rational, game theoretical move, akin to the tit-for-tat strategy in the iterated prisoners dilemma. My hypothesis is that there must be quite a few Mister Spocks out there who feel nothing but are compelled to be good by the logic of it. Most high functioning autistics seem to fit this description.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00765609009222414952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-14324868698039953722013-07-06T21:35:44.984-07:002013-07-06T21:35:44.984-07:00Yep, I agree. If everyone were honest with themse...Yep, I agree. If everyone were honest with themselves, everyone would be considered a sociopath. The notion that it is a psychiatric disorder is a fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-37939188644083484752013-07-06T21:31:47.986-07:002013-07-06T21:31:47.986-07:00Psychopath and sociopath are synonyms. They both ...Psychopath and sociopath are synonyms. They both refer to an individual with Antisocial Personality Disorder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-69876387938861294122013-07-02T05:25:23.677-07:002013-07-02T05:25:23.677-07:00"Erik Anderson June 28, 2013 at 5:31 AM"..."Erik Anderson June 28, 2013 at 5:31 AM"<br />Might point out that any justice systems around the world might function differently from what I and you are used to. I have no idea what area in the world your justice system represents.<br /><br />If I try to judge from my little knowledge of my home countrie's justice system, I would say that the role of the inner workings of a criminals mind really depends on the crime and what is found of interest from that person.<br /><br />If you had a personality disorder like M.E. has, I think it would propably not count into the sentence you would receive if you were a criminal. You propably could disgust the judge in such a way(depending on your presentation of yourself) that he would heigten your sentence as a mechanism of his emotional humanity(conciously or not), but I would really doubt that the judge would find psychopathy without previous criminal behaviour as an aggravating circumstance.<br /><br />Personally I would find such a thought as unfactual.<br /><br />However, if you were thought to be insane (psychotic) at the time of your criminal action and therefore not capable of judging right from wrong, there would be a huge difference in how the justice system would treat you around here. But then M.E. or any other sociopath out there are more likely to be fare from psychotic.<br /><br />I know of court rounds where criminals have cried theyr eyes dry. That display ofg remorse didn't help them much. Here justice-practice has everything to say. Judges folow an established practice to what your sentence should be, cry whatever you want. Thats exactly how it should be if you would ask me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-88398575508128644742013-06-29T10:02:27.684-07:002013-06-29T10:02:27.684-07:00@ Monica-
You said something I have been pondering...@ Monica-<br />You said something I have been pondering- that getting involved with a sociopath is due to having "stuff" that is not whole inside. <br />I think you are correct. Sociopaths may target all manner of individuals, but those of us who stay involved with them once they have showed their true colors have a personal blind spot. In handing over your self protective instinct because you can't bear to accept that you have been used and abused, you are literally giving a way a piece of your soul to a puppet master. <br />Sociopaths do have a remarkable ability to see through the false selves we construct. They are vigilant for "humble brags" so they will know which levers to press to activate a sense of narcissistic supply being delivered. They understand that the pretty girl may secretly feel dumb and has a chip on her shoulder about this, so they crack the code of her defensiveness/playing hard to get by ignoring her "hotness", and subtly suggesting that they think she is brilliant. <br />The better the "mirror" the sociopath has constructed for the victim, the more thorough the enslavement becomes. The ultimate weapon a sociopath uses against a victim in any sort of long con is their own narcissism. <br /><br />Once again you have provided a strong (albeit painful) impetus for reflection. Thank you.onewomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320973006497715467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-57952983687743567102013-06-29T05:17:11.181-07:002013-06-29T05:17:11.181-07:00Hagin is not a prosperity guy unless it is spiritu...Hagin is not a prosperity guy unless it is spiritual and a basic decent life with money. I agree with that-- not millions but your needs should be met.<br /><br /><br />Copeland and Jesse DuPlantis and some of the other ones are garish with the money thing but not Hagin.<br /><br />You have him mixed up with them.<br /><br /> Hagin HIMSELF was healed so how could that be fake? He dies twice in fact as a young child.<br /><br />You should study him more.Monicanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-14479080476564821142013-06-29T03:51:39.906-07:002013-06-29T03:51:39.906-07:00I work in a school which is like a small city. Som...I work in a school which is like a small city. Some people have the gift of empathy and are wonderful for those who love to dump, dump, dump. I do not have the ability to hear the whining and complaining. I can act like I give two bits, show concern, etc...but what is wrong with being shut off? In this country, we are fortunate and people complain about some of the most ridiculous things like their dishwasher being broke (some folks don't have a dish to their name).<br />I listen, but no I really don't give a damn...we are here to do a job, not to kvetch.<br />Everything is Illuminated being a socio....and yes, I am happy....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-80948417110960185122013-06-29T02:24:11.893-07:002013-06-29T02:24:11.893-07:00Because the prosperity gospel he preached is false...Because the prosperity gospel he preached is false. He distorted the word of God for profit, promising adherents health, wealth and abundance... For a price.<br /><br />The healings are fake. The tongues are fake. It's a load of bullshit with which to lure in, deceive, and profit from suckers who are not well grounded in Biblical doctrine- individuals seeking extravagant, emotional "spiritual experiences". This is not what Jesus taught.Alteregonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45631304497142270392013-06-28T22:27:36.913-07:002013-06-28T22:27:36.913-07:00naturallynaturallyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-33838688414733988992013-06-28T05:38:10.779-07:002013-06-28T05:38:10.779-07:00but if you think she's hot, that's just pa...but if you think she's hot, that's just part of the fun....<br />onewomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320973006497715467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-26781879612941727492013-06-28T05:31:03.935-07:002013-06-28T05:31:03.935-07:00The criminal justice system is based entirely on d...The criminal justice system is based entirely on determining the inner worlds of people. Also, the defining characteristics of sociopathy were not pulled out of a hat. They were determined empirically by observing a specific group of criminals with a lack of guilt and remorse, high criminal recidivism, and resistance to all forms of therapy and rehabilitation.<br /><br />It is not 100% fair and 100% accurate, but we are working within the context of the criminal justice system, so that basically goes without saying. It's not a perfect system, not by far, but it is supported by empirically acquired data and represents a pragmatic, if flawed solution to a complex problem.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00519573769456310783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-32975053636770809452013-06-28T05:28:25.291-07:002013-06-28T05:28:25.291-07:00"Andy GlassJune 28, 2013 at 3:14 AM" - i..."Andy GlassJune 28, 2013 at 3:14 AM" - if I look away from the rest of the discussion I might comment that the entire population of Iceland has been genetically mapped in a genetic database, ref deCODE genetics.<br /><br />Discussing the challenges of brainscanning a whole population is out of my reach, but I believe anything would be possible given the right way and reasons.<br /><br />However, I see no point in pinpointing sociopathic individuals. We could just as well start lobotomy and old fashion witch hunts again.<br /><br />For the reasons of science, it might be interesting though. Maybe not that useful from what I can tell..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-8918904199320986972013-06-28T04:54:10.481-07:002013-06-28T04:54:10.481-07:00I'll bite. Why is Hagin a fraud? Be specific, ...I'll bite. Why is Hagin a fraud? Be specific, too, not just cuz you think it~Monicanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45503917570097739122013-06-28T03:42:05.718-07:002013-06-28T03:42:05.718-07:00"Anonymous June 27, 2013 at 10:07 AM" - ..."Anonymous June 27, 2013 at 10:07 AM" - commenting your text, why do you care what opinioms people have or judgement they make? People will always think whatever, do whatever. As long as you go by, it shouldn't be a problem.<br /><br />"Erik AndersonJune 27, 2013 at 11:37 AM" - I have to state that I do not agree that humans with empathy can not disconnect from it or otherwise somehow get affected to act differently then you would expect. The human mind is not deterministic, A does not certainly lead to B in sence of humans.<br /><br />Sentencing sociopaths harder then empaths. How would you know the difference? Another thing about humans is that they are layered, filled with ambiguity and an ubpredictable set of varying variables. Even though psychology has made a very good step into the art of science, the human mind is not measurable. All emotions, thoughts and processing factors are private to the person in question, thus there is no way to really know for sure. That person might walk, talk and look like anything else then whatever is in there, regardless of whatever impression you have. <br /><br />"MachavellianempathJune 27, 2013 at 11:52 AM" - The U.S. way from what I have learned is to create the highest incarnation rate in the world. The effect, necessity and predecessors of that can be discussed, but seen from the outside this way of handeling your society might witness of a mentality and mindset that is reaching a certain level of ignorance. Are you sure incarnating everything is the way to go or is it a sign of not truly understanding the problem?<br /><br />I very much disagree with the labelling and box-way of thinking where everything can be distrinctly ordrered in each theyr boxes. If you are lucky, there is no question about what box a person can be defined within. In most cases this is not true.<br /><br />We all minpulate, we all lie, we all gather information for usage, we alle hide information. We all play tricks. From the youngest age, most of us instrinctly start physical fights with other children over resources, we lie, and learn to manipulate our parents. All children do this, fake crying is almost a rule and not the exception. We are later socialized, maybe broken like a horse. Some learn slower, some are harder to break, and maybe some just don't have the mechanics needed to get there. I wouldn't know, but this matter is not a simple one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-31127212286017793342013-06-28T03:14:16.921-07:002013-06-28T03:14:16.921-07:00http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-bra...http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-brain/2012/09/25/ignobel-prize-in-neuroscience-the-dead-salmon-study/<br /><br />You can get a positive fMRI result from a brain scan of a dead salmon if you don't interpret the data probably. People put so much faith in science, but this technology is heavily flawed. You would have to blind the experimenters and the people who analyze the scans to get an accurate result. For every child you think is a sociopath, you would need 5-6 more random children as controls to be able to make a concrete distinction between sociopath and normal. With the cost of the scans and the time, not to mention getting parental consent, the price of determining just one child is probably between $20,000 to $30,000. Are we really going to spend more to find one sociopath than we will pay to educate a child for a couple years? And lastly, the child you expect to be a sociopath must cooperate fully and hold completely still for the scan to work.<br /><br />In reality, this technology is simply not a feasible method to identify sociopaths. There will have to be something new.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11932547142801073974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-26630462542157874992013-06-28T01:28:52.480-07:002013-06-28T01:28:52.480-07:00Only if you don't like what she has to say. ha...Only if you don't like what she has to say. hahaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-29998571262667203282013-06-27T23:55:38.476-07:002013-06-27T23:55:38.476-07:00anytime, alterego.anytime, alterego.onewomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320973006497715467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-51764803132494238742013-06-27T23:52:58.458-07:002013-06-27T23:52:58.458-07:00I worry about brain scans being "prescribed&q...I worry about brain scans being "prescribed" for conduct disorder kids by public educators. I could see state legislation organizing around identifying young sociopaths who have less capacity to recognize the danger of this (so called) diagnostic tool.onewomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320973006497715467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-29705650205469748502013-06-27T23:49:50.961-07:002013-06-27T23:49:50.961-07:00I thought a crazy bitch was a woman who spoke her ...I thought a crazy bitch was a woman who spoke her mind. onewomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320973006497715467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11167605104965490062013-06-27T22:10:52.852-07:002013-06-27T22:10:52.852-07:00hahaha. What its a woman who the man didn't li...hahaha. What its a woman who the man didn't like? Admittedly its much rarer for a man to call a woman a socio. Crazy bitch is more likely, but it could always come up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-28473512361191974802013-06-27T22:04:32.596-07:002013-06-27T22:04:32.596-07:00I agree with this completely. I never wake up thin...I agree with this completely. I never wake up thinking "who am I going to manipulate today". My average manipulation consists of getting people who interest me to talk to me. I have yet to hear a complaint from anyone who uses me as a confidant. I lie routinely but normally just so that those around me think I feel the same suite of emotions as they do.<br /><br />When I was with my ex I was loving and devoted, there were times I did things she would've disproved of without her knowing but I never truly betrayed her in any way.<br /><br />In my life I care about and interact with others proportionate to how much they amuse or irritate me. I'm also pretty easy going most of the time so very few people irritate me.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-62508867744897678822013-06-27T21:55:23.151-07:002013-06-27T21:55:23.151-07:00I rarely hurt people and typically don't use a...I rarely hurt people and typically don't use anyone for anything more then a couple liters of milk. There are definite exceptions to this but for the most part I live a fairly pro-social life as I recognize it as the path to the greatest rewards.<br /><br />" Only a sociopath will kidnap, rape, and murder your children. Only a sociopath will tie up an innocent person and torture them for amusement."<br /><br />Empaths do things like this to if you make them angry enough or if they think it's justified. There aren't enough sociopaths to compose the entirety of all war criminals ever. Though I concede a socio might be more likely to behave in this manner there would have to be a definite benefit for them to behave this way.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-75438073081394238662013-06-27T21:43:20.865-07:002013-06-27T21:43:20.865-07:00haha, well said jessihaha, well said jessiAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-43817572623007663312013-06-27T21:42:04.557-07:002013-06-27T21:42:04.557-07:00Come now Andy, you can't let yourself genuinel...Come now Andy, you can't let yourself genuinely care about what anyone on the internet says to you. Especially not misanthrope. He's pretty much just an unpleasant troll.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.com