tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post4308734608698629155..comments2024-03-28T00:33:57.308-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: My story, for whatever it's worth (part 3)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-37960148222847446582009-11-07T20:08:19.085-08:002009-11-07T20:08:19.085-08:00I agree anon- it all 'sounds good' but is ...I agree anon- it all 'sounds good' but is so very vague.. not only from the reader M.E. is publishing but also the commenters.. Let's be specific here..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-5632521567772479422009-11-07T19:22:18.821-08:002009-11-07T19:22:18.821-08:00I'm not going to comment on the pros and cons ...I'm not going to comment on the pros and cons of achieving power until someone can first define what we mean by power. Do we mean responsibility (doubtful), control, influence, or physical coersion? They are all so different. Are we discussing having long term power or just temporary game-type power? The original poster said he wanted power as a means to freedom. Most of the above mentioned powers don't grant freedom, they are just passtimes for recreation. So which kinds of power grant freedom? Because that's the kind I want.<br />-a question mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-16319282859537120042009-11-07T17:07:31.261-08:002009-11-07T17:07:31.261-08:00Sarah just left a comment which was nothing more t...Sarah just left a comment which was nothing more than word games. Semantics. Verbosity. Which is what all of you do here. You people are pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-16207715735420056052009-11-07T15:28:07.248-08:002009-11-07T15:28:07.248-08:00“I now know what I want: power, which equals freed...<i>“I now know what I want: power, which equals freedom.”</i><br /><br />Again I'll have to disagree with this entire theory, as it's been postured here time and time again. Power LEAD TO RESPONSIBILITY. Which is the opposite of freedom. Control is one-sided, if that's what your after. <br /><br />But in the end, I honestly think sociopaths get quite bored with control. It's very predictable, and because it's often surrendered, is regarded as an empty victory. <br /><br />But: Influence, persuasion, coercion ... now, they can be an addictive pastime for a newly christened sociopath.Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-75659913637630853522009-11-07T12:54:36.501-08:002009-11-07T12:54:36.501-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-40016289806954764102009-11-07T12:24:10.878-08:002009-11-07T12:24:10.878-08:00Habits rarely lie.
The author of the "My Sto...Habits rarely lie. <br />The author of the "My Story" is too old not to understand major long term changes in direction are realised in hindsight, not announced in advance. The fact he does so tells the real truth - he has given up on any real change, instead comforts himself with 'announcements'. <br />The regular contributers here who talk about power. They tell the real truth by their very presence here day after day, sitting on their rearends writing long verbose comments. This is the real glimpse of their life and their power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11326678339081614142009-11-06T21:57:08.237-08:002009-11-06T21:57:08.237-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-63286543858100958882009-11-06T19:58:09.908-08:002009-11-06T19:58:09.908-08:00Daft, after actually reading the rest of your comm...Daft, after actually reading the rest of your comments, I think you have a false or idealistic version of what power actually is. Or perhaps I do. When we're referring to power over people, there is a required act of submission by the party overpowered. This can be achieved by brute force, yes, but is mainly their willingness to give up their own responsibility to you. A sociopath in power is a sociopath with willing followers because of a certain amount of control over himself. Sheep, as referred to in the post by the referance to a wolf, are those unwilling to gain control over themselves and willing to sacrifice that control. <br /><br />And Disney and Daniel Birdick, you both refer to this idea in that people perceive power in others and so willingly follow. That's not so much the case as they perceive control in others and so follow. People constantly seek someone with ability to relinquish their control to because they perceive it as relieving themselves of the responsibility of self control. If this were the case it would give the one in power the responsibility of their control, which is also not the case. So power over someone is their own laziness for accountability putting them into risky situations. This works on microcosms as well as macrocosms. For example, the government is merely a perception of power. An easy list of guidelines and accepted norms to follow relieving the responsibility from the individual to come up with his own principles. So people who do not have power need others to have power over them. SO no power is ever really taken against anyone's will, but willingly given.Snowflakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892497156292523477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-88690315482265283252009-11-06T19:43:56.692-08:002009-11-06T19:43:56.692-08:00Daft said:
Daniel, are you referring to power will...Daft said:<br />Daniel, are you referring to power willingly given over by another person or manipulation of that person, that stealthily kind of taking power over/from another?<br /><br />I fail to see the difference here. Isn't any power an element of both? You cannot have power over anyone without their consent.Snowflakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892497156292523477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-82926365234929338292009-11-06T15:12:43.224-08:002009-11-06T15:12:43.224-08:00DB said:
"I believe that no one really has a...DB said:<br /><br />"I believe that no one really has any power over anyone else. It seems impossible as a literal fact. But I also get that most other people believe that others have power and/or authority over them, and so long as they believe that, for all practical purposes power is real"<br /><br />I think we can close this post now cause this is the only all encompassing wisdom on power here. Apparantly I couldnt phrase it this simple, and most people will never ever get this.Disneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-28294845606701683782009-11-06T15:08:52.112-08:002009-11-06T15:08:52.112-08:00DB said: Power over one’s self and over others can...DB said: Power over one’s self and over others can be a potent combination.<br /><br />Yes, but why bother. Ah right; boredom.Disneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-75259757037698616562009-11-06T15:06:06.679-08:002009-11-06T15:06:06.679-08:00I couldn't agree more with you on that. I thin...I couldn't agree more with you on that. I think that the only way to actually have power over someone is by force, but if you can use someone else's thoughts against them, say by doing something that affirms their thought that you are in control, then you can actually control them...at least until they realize that it is a false control, to which it has already become reality and what’s done it done. They can take control back, but it still remains that they gave it you to begin with. <br /><br />So on those terms, the power you have over someone else is both true and false. Sort of the smoke and mirrors sort of thing and it just depends on how you use the props in front of you.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-44832592039478551082009-11-06T14:47:27.295-08:002009-11-06T14:47:27.295-08:00Daft:
I suppose both, although the “stealthy kind...Daft:<br /><br />I suppose both, although the “stealthy kind” can sometimes be more fun. Using brute force against others, although effective, lacks imagination.<br /><br />As an aside, it is my opinion that power can be seen as both a delusion and as real. I believe that no one really has any power over anyone else. It seems impossible as a literal fact. But I also get that most other people believe that others have power and/or authority over them, and so long as they believe that, for all practical purposes power is real.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-68131906301032506852009-11-06T14:25:25.555-08:002009-11-06T14:25:25.555-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-17916930420957609002009-11-06T13:56:23.252-08:002009-11-06T13:56:23.252-08:00Again, I agree Disney. Discipline is necessary to...Again, I agree Disney. Discipline is necessary to achieve almost anything, especially power. I misinterpreted your original comment then. <br /><br />Power over one’s self <i>and</i> over others can be a potent combination.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-20502460764092589582009-11-06T13:51:00.703-08:002009-11-06T13:51:00.703-08:00lurker said, “Commented on wrong post. Apologies.”...lurker said, <i>“Commented on wrong post. Apologies.”</i><br /><br />Of course lurker, you might have made the argument that this article is an example of the connection between self discipline and the freedom to fulfill one’s true desires, in this case, blood lust. The soldiers in question would be highly trained and their propensity for violence channeled in ways society finds useful, i.e., killing the enemy. In this way, they are free to be who and what they are. They are even appreciated in fact by a grateful public. All they have to do is disguise their will to kill in patriotic lingo. Then you could have connected this point back to the article by noting ‘the reader’s’ “freedom to be a wolf” comment. The psychopathic soldier gets to be a serial killer, with society’s complete blessing. All he has to do is know who and what he is, become highly disciplined with the government’s help and on the tax payer’s dime, then go a huntin’. I imagine there's nothing quite like the power of life and death.<br /><br />But you didn’t make any of those points, so never mind.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45169413402274348312009-11-06T13:48:55.557-08:002009-11-06T13:48:55.557-08:00DB
I never mentioned any dichotomy. I was saying ...DB <br />I never mentioned any dichotomy. I was saying selfdiscipline can give a sense of freedom. If that doesnt ring any bell and one would still want to pursue power as a means to achieve freedom than please realize if you want not just temporary power than discipline is certainly still needed.Disneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-10605516190697093282009-11-06T13:36:41.835-08:002009-11-06T13:36:41.835-08:00Right Disney. I don’t think we’re saying differen...Right Disney. I don’t think we’re saying different things per se. It seemed that your original comment was positing a false dichotomy between self discipline verses power, as if you had to choose one over the other. That’s what I was responding to. Self discipline and power can complement rather than oppose each other.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-38601470439502015272009-11-06T12:16:41.030-08:002009-11-06T12:16:41.030-08:00Yes Daft, thats it, dont become a slave to yoursel...Yes Daft, thats it, dont become a slave to yourself. Thats the hardest part for sociopaths...well actually to most human beings. But I would say sociopaths in particular since theyre often driven by more enslaving matters.<br /><br />I wanna stress again that power does not mean being almighty since it is always depending on other people and thus a changeable and nearly uncontrollable thing. Unless you use violence or try to become a dictator. Both means you'll be either in prison soon or it will just be a matter of time till you have to ask your bodyguard to shoot you and than burn your body. <br /><br />And DB: I think you are referring to temporary influence on the people around you to get what you want? Yes thats practical sure, but also just for instant gratification. If you wanna establish something more or lasting, people will need to see a consistent image of you. And that means, you guessed it, self discipline ( among other things).Disneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-52799466791011278592009-11-06T12:15:11.909-08:002009-11-06T12:15:11.909-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11355460203288355252009-11-06T12:13:35.533-08:002009-11-06T12:13:35.533-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-6104851536529228432009-11-06T11:57:13.507-08:002009-11-06T11:57:13.507-08:00Commented on wrong post. Apologies.
--lurkerCommented on wrong post. Apologies.<br />--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-46404860410937222642009-11-06T10:48:21.204-08:002009-11-06T10:48:21.204-08:00how is that relevent?how is that relevent?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-34105866887477138262009-11-06T10:46:26.075-08:002009-11-06T10:46:26.075-08:00How natural killers fit in the military:
https://n...How natural killers fit in the military:<br />https://notes.utk.edu/bio/greenberg.nsf/0/bd7eed04567bfe2b85256e3b002f29c1?OpenDocument<br /><br />"The natural killer is an aggressive athlete", "lacks social emotion, is a later son... is an extrovert, has above-average intelligence and a caustic sense of humor".<br /><br />Seems natural killers excel at leading troops up a hill, but don't do well at peacekeeping missions (no surprise there).<br /><br />Fascinating.<br /><br />--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-60047882272126435802009-11-06T10:46:26.076-08:002009-11-06T10:46:26.076-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.com