tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post3487040979596975728..comments2024-03-28T00:33:57.308-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: A letter from a former forensic psychology studentUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45019662359389556462011-04-15T23:21:11.538-07:002011-04-15T23:21:11.538-07:00It takes a village.It takes a village.Sociopath Worldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-9640916107305510832011-04-14T07:24:56.157-07:002011-04-14T07:24:56.157-07:00I wrote the Dear Doctor Sociopath letter, and just...I wrote the Dear Doctor Sociopath letter, and just wanted to say I was not being sarcastic, but self-deprecating. I know you P/S folks don't come on this board to be Dear Abby for broken-hearted betas like me, but thought that your genuine insight, should you choose to bestow it, might be helpful. NO "regular" people will give any advice with any usefulness at all. They simply don't get the dynamics involved. So I cast my net, put the question out there, knowing that I would likely be shot down by at least some, but that maybe someone would have some suggestions I could actually use. I totally agree that this is a power play, and that I shouldn't exhibit victimized reactions. It's hard for me to be anything other than what I am. I am a maskless empath who is just now beginning to realize who I was married to, and reading your comments is a huge step toward understanding my own life. This blog has aided me in ways nothing else ever could have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-14687285607461439872011-04-14T00:33:00.590-07:002011-04-14T00:33:00.590-07:00Wait till they start researching PD's in the a...Wait till they start researching PD's in the animal world. My own interest in ethology so far extends to the dogs that I've spend time with. I accidentally conditioned a timid needy dog to be ruthless and narcissitic. She's a laugh a second now and stares down other bigger dogs including alpha's when they cross her path. A friend's psychopathic dog however, has an instinctive ambivalence towards me when normally she would usually establish her dominance with strangers both human and canine, through extreme hostility.GagReflexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-79618983121136753932011-04-14T00:02:24.016-07:002011-04-14T00:02:24.016-07:00The 'Ian' character in Luther seems plausi...The 'Ian' character in Luther seems plausible enough. The real life socio's that I've been close too have even more emotional virtuosity than me tears and all. I believe true socio's wouldn't see the point or even know how to share or compare what goes on inside. So deep, complete and detailed is their universe that 'undiscovered', they will even take their 'play' to the grave just like ian. I don't think they are capable or have the need to stand down or soul search like empaths and NTs. So outwardly, extreme empaths and NT's are more likely to be perceived as freaks when they vacillate between 'being guarded' to control their emotional impulses and their often self defeating need for catharsis.GagReflexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-513648325294796422011-04-13T23:49:54.879-07:002011-04-13T23:49:54.879-07:00Alice protects him like a fresh kill.Alice protects him like a fresh kill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-1342489576636432102011-04-13T23:38:26.963-07:002011-04-13T23:38:26.963-07:00I don't think it was Saturday, or at least I c...I don't think it was Saturday, or at least I couldn't find it in the Saturday posts thanks for answering KesuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-89867537326731263762011-04-13T23:30:19.866-07:002011-04-13T23:30:19.866-07:00So is Luther miss overbite's beta?So is Luther miss overbite's beta?GagReflexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-86062899155965175532011-04-13T21:38:30.488-07:002011-04-13T21:38:30.488-07:00Yes. I know I have. I wrote a lot about the alpha ...Yes. I know I have. I wrote a lot about the alpha beta relationship. I think it was Saturday night. If you look back at those comments then you should get the idea.Kesunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-67925216771236189842011-04-13T21:18:36.615-07:002011-04-13T21:18:36.615-07:00anon4:07
has a good question. My psyc teacher tol...anon4:07<br /> has a good question. My psyc teacher told us that although its very rare a psychopath/sociopath will sometimes have an intense feeling for someone whether thats just a feeling of ownership I don't know but that they will go out of there way to protect this person from others. Have any of you felt this protectiveness for someone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-13857916596148828712011-04-13T19:12:54.431-07:002011-04-13T19:12:54.431-07:00Edit: ...but not from a businessman or homely woma...Edit: <i>...but not from a businessman or homely woman, even if the child *feels* they aren't 'safe'. </i>Sea Witchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-71358043129574074982011-04-13T19:05:01.653-07:002011-04-13T19:05:01.653-07:00Zhawq at 4:59pm:
Thanks for the definitions, I&#...Zhawq at 4:59pm: <br /><br />Thanks for the definitions, I'd been wondering about them :)<br /><br />Kesu at 6:07pm:<br /><br />I believe young children rely more on feeling than thinking in the sense that they don't tend to deliberate morally. <br /><br />They typically lose this ability as they age because they're taught to suppress it in favour of moral decision making. <br /><br />For example a mother may pull their child away from a homeless man or woman with tattoos, even if the child *feels* they are 'safe', but not from a businessman or homely woman. In doing so she inadvertently teaches them not to trust their instincts.<br /><br />I find it very easy to connect with young children and animals - they're also very often drawn to me.Sea Witchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-85034711585642664322011-04-13T18:43:45.826-07:002011-04-13T18:43:45.826-07:00continued from last post...
The last point I'...continued from last post...<br /><br />The last point I'd like to touch on, more just to provide some clarity as to where exactly I am with it.<br /><br />"it's like performing a group dance that you don't know. You watch those around you and attempt to emulate them, however you'll always be one or two steps behind."<br /><br />For me it has given me the ability to be two steps ahead, because I can predict by using my intellect. It's not a deficit in itself."<br /><br />I agree with that statement, the dance analogy was more for when I was growing up. I originally acted out of instinct which I very quickly learnt was not what everyone else was instinctively feeling. I began to watch and learn overtime, using my intelligence over the past 8, nearly 9 years now I've learnt the appropriate emotions for almost all the situations that life can present me, and to be honest I find being placed into a highly emotional situation with other people and having to fake my way through it one of the more activities that I can engage in. Why? Just to see if I can keep up, it's kind of like a workout I guess...JohnEverymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-92126051381246192752011-04-13T18:43:11.273-07:002011-04-13T18:43:11.273-07:00Zhawq,
Thank you for your input, I'd like to ...Zhawq,<br /><br />Thank you for your input, I'd like to provide you with a little more information on the emotions that I can feel. Happiness is not very often I'll admit, I consider myself to have felt happiness when a genuine smile crosses my face, not one that I've had to fake (that being said my fake smile and my genuine smile are practically identical. I spent quite a lot of time studying the works of Ekman and several other works on body language to make fitting in that much easier.) It can be prompted via something that I consider to be particuarly good going my way, however if something good happens to a friend that wont in anyway that I can see effect me, I'll have to fake it. I'm not annoyed or angry that something good has happened to them, it just doesn't fill me with the joy that other people seem to express.<br /><br />Anger is something I feel quite often, but have learnt to control quite well. I have varying degrees just like everyone else, all the way from slightly annoyed to unbelievably livid. When that occurs I lose control, to steal a metaphor from Hervey Cleckley, when I reach that point my mask of sanity doesn't slip, I practically rip it off. (The Mask of Sanity, for any of you reading, is an absolutely fascinating book on Psychopathy and I'd highly recommend getting your hands on a copy.)<br /><br />Sadness is not something I feel very often I'll admit. The only time it really happens is when I've been after a girl (I'm referring to a relationship, I've yet to have what people would call a "proper relationship" originally it was because I just had no wish for none, however now I've found myself curious as to how it would effect me, and if we're being perfectly honest, the idea of constantly being alone isn't all that appealing.) and this girl rejects me. It's a mixture of annoyance at the huge waste of time the exercise has proved to be.<br />(Another reason I assumed I couldn't have ASPD was because I could develop feelings towards women, however after reading the blog entitled "Do Sociopaths love?" I was most shocked whilst reading to find myself saying "well...yeah, that's how I work.")<br /><br />My ability to manipulate, at least in my own opinoin is quite good. I use my intellect to logically walk myself through how people react to certain situations, once I figure out the correct "action-reaction" combination I need to achieve my ends I put my plan into play. Occassionally I'll admit, things don't go to plan, but for the most part manipulating people isn't a huge problem. One incident that I'm particuarly proud of is not only showcases my ability to manipulate, but my patience.<br /><br />A woman I worked with started an argument with me when I was in a particuarly vindictive mood, afterwards she demanded I apologise, I refused, she wrote letters about me and I almost lost my job as a result. Instead of acting out instantly I went and apologised, and was always pleasent with her, made sure to never speak ill of her around other staff. I did that for six months waiting and watching for the perfect opportunity to present itself. I then discovered she'd done something against company policy, then as opposed to running immediately to managment and having the rest of the staff view me as a snitch I waited until a night I knew two certain staff members would be finishing with me, and during staff drinks I allowed it to "slip" that this person had done something. The two staff members was the manager whom I knew had a sense of justice, and the other was the guy who was standing next to me when I discovered she'd done this deed. I proceeded to tell the manager afterwards that I was unaware that what she'd done was against policy and that I didn't want to cause trouble making sure to use passive body language and facial expressions. She's no longer employed at my place of work.JohnEverymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-46464885692534729042011-04-13T18:41:55.367-07:002011-04-13T18:41:55.367-07:00@anon nope. I've been told over and over again...@anon nope. I've been told over and over again by a wide range of people about how handsome my face is. I have very good facial symmetry.Kesunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-69920048483090736272011-04-13T18:33:49.192-07:002011-04-13T18:33:49.192-07:00mabye your just hideously ugly, kes.
'mommy w...mabye your just hideously ugly, kes.<br /><br />'mommy what's wrong with that mans face?'<br /><br />ever heard that before?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-67550708587419267912011-04-13T18:15:21.495-07:002011-04-13T18:15:21.495-07:00@kesu
About the children... you know children hav...@kesu<br />About the children... you know children have sixth senses. they may feel a sense of coldness coming from you, or if these brain scientist are right and magnetic fields are different for a socio brain there may even be some electromagnetic repulsions going on that humans can't detect consciously.<br /><br />I can tell you this though. I get exactly the opposite reaction from the kids. they literally flock to me. My friends' children try to get me into their room and tell their parents to leave just the two of us alone. They cry for that. If we are out walking, they want to walk a few steps away from the parents and just with me, holding hands and talking.<br /><br />I don't have and am determined to never have children, but it is because I am a chicken shit and can't go through the possibility of losing a child.virtual sisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-24624697232924302612011-04-13T18:14:47.451-07:002011-04-13T18:14:47.451-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Soulfulpathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03120823000584193182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11691024663961118002011-04-13T18:07:44.809-07:002011-04-13T18:07:44.809-07:00@kesu
sorry a bit late response, just got back fr...@kesu<br /><br />sorry a bit late response, just got back from the streets.<br /><br />"Why do you hold such a "sisterly" affection for Adam?"<br />I addressed Adam today in exactly the way I felt towards him today. <br /><br />"Do you pity him?"<br />I did not feel pity. If anything today I was happy that I got my taxes done, maybe I was projecting my own happiness. Plus, somehow I believe people around Adam deep down care for him, and he knows that. His abusive father may have had his own reasons, and Adam may know those too. I don't know, just supposing.<br /><br />"What is your infatuation with bombarding him with kindness? What do you stand to gain? Why do it? What is the purpose?"<br />I just felt like it, I wish I had a better answer for you.<br /><br />"I can't ascertain it. Are you being genuine or is it some play you are scripting out for your own personal enjoyment?"<br />:) You remind me someone I know with this question. Someone who kept saying "I don't understand you, what is in it for you, why do you do these things?" Oh, well. I guess I am impulsive too. I did not think about what I was doing or why I was doing. Maybe just like wanting to do negative impulsive things there is also wanting to do positive impulsive things. I just do. No bills follow. And, I am truly genuine when I do.<br /><br />Your questions are generalizing my actions of today so thee are no answers for those because I have no generalized positions towards, Adam, but I can tell you that I have no interest or desire in attacking or hurting him verbally, but I may say some tough love kind of shit once in a while. Then he may say 'suck my dick' or not, his choice.<br /><br />I am curious why you wondered about my words today. If it is to test the hypothesis that someone like Adam may be around me or close to my heart, the answer is no, there is no such person, as you asked below:<br />"Do you find some kind of connection to him and his general juvenile ways or does he remind you of someone from your past/present that you couldn't/can't openly give the same affection?"<br /><br />If it were not for your second note sincerely wanting to know I would not have spent this many lines. Hope did not bore you, Kesu.virtual sisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-41766504362090722632011-04-13T18:07:28.361-07:002011-04-13T18:07:28.361-07:00I have a question for every S/P. I just had this i...I have a question for every S/P. I just had this interesting conversation with a friend who knows what I am and his brother is a P. We started talking about interacting with kids. He likes kids and they tend to like him too. He is kind of a happy go lucky aspie. So he already acts like a child. I'm impartial to children. IDC one way or another. However, children are terrified of me. Ones I've never even met. Such as in a grocery story kids around the age of 4 or 5 when they see me they get the deer caught in the headlights look and then after a second run to their parent and hold on tight. They watch me from the safety of the parent too. I'm not doing anything. I have no piercing or tattoos on my face that are weird or scary. I certainly don't make faces at them. Yet they are scared. Even the ones I'm related to. My step brothers daughter literally would burst into tears every time I entered the same room as her. I never even spoke to the little girl let alone touch or scare her. Her older brother would stare at me with a look that could only be dumbfounded horror. He would remain motionless until I passed through the room. My friend said that his brother had a somewhat similar experience. Little kids in his case just wanted to keep a distance from his brother. A nephew of theirs was absolutely horrified of his brother. I always thought it had something to do with me reasonably tall broad shouldered and dark featured. I always in the back of my head though do they know? Do the little fucks know that when I smile at them it is pretend? Have any of you had similar experiences?Kesunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-51493046026141910162011-04-13T17:27:41.083-07:002011-04-13T17:27:41.083-07:00shut your word hole faggot. oh and i don't car...shut your word hole faggot. oh and i don't care if you don't care about being insulted, i just like doing it because it makes me feel like a big man, got it!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-79572116314164331472011-04-13T17:08:10.098-07:002011-04-13T17:08:10.098-07:00Anon with the "Dear Doctor Sociopath":
...Anon with the "Dear Doctor Sociopath":<br /><br />Before I will even consider giving you any words of advice, you'll have to lose every trace of sarcasm in how you address us/me/blog author/etc.etc.<br /><br />Just sayin'. ;)<br /><br />You're welcome to try again, though... *s*Zhawqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149309325116416338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-88554444109818123422011-04-13T16:59:54.024-07:002011-04-13T16:59:54.024-07:00Sea Witch,
intelligent post there.
"I thin...Sea Witch,<br /><br />intelligent post there.<br /><br /><br />"I think many people with ASPD have been traumatised, and retraumatised, throughout their lives - especially given that it's diagnosed more commonly in lower socioeconomic classes. BPD, to my mind, is the female equivalent. They're made, not born, unlike sociopaths or psychopaths."<br /><br />One minor detail: Sociopaths and Psychopaths are not the same.<br /><br />To put it very over-simplified:<br /><br />AsPD'ers are results of Nurture (or: they're made).<br /><br />Sociopaths are a combination, leaning towards Nurture (being made).<br /><br />Psychopaths are also a combination, but with a more heavy emphasis on Nature (genetics or 'born that way').<br /><br />I know there's a tendency to use the two latter terms interchangeably, but in my opinion it's the smarter thing to do to have a clearer definition, since it's actually possible. It makes communication much easier. :)<br /><br /><br />Wet,<br /><br />forget the DSM-IV. A lot will be changed in a couple of years with the DSM-V anyway. <br />They know they screwed up! ;)Zhawqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149309325116416338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-62109259798044300152011-04-13T16:33:09.951-07:002011-04-13T16:33:09.951-07:00A good and thorough mail, Reader.
First: From you...A good and thorough mail, Reader.<br /><br />First: From your description of the experience you had with feeling guilt, you did in fact feel empathy then also. I think in order to feel guilt one may have to know of empathy too - which would make sense, no? How else to 'feel' guilt?<br /><br /><br />And another thing, though just a detail: I know someone who has Aspergers, and with this person I've met other Aspies. I know for absolutely certain that my friend experiences the emotions you mention: Happiness and anger (especially the latter have I seen in my friend on many occasions).<br />- So if these are THE reasons for your conclusion, they're not sufficient.<br /><br />Manipulation though does certainly not go well with my impression of people with Aspergers, though this doesn't mean Aspies won't attempt to manipulate. My friend has tried plenty of times, but he's not good at it (and certainly not with me).<br /><br /><br />"it's like performing a group dance that you don't know. You watch those around you and attempt to emulate them, however you'll always be one or two steps behind."<br /><br />For me it has given me the ability to be two steps ahead, because I can predict by using my intellect. It's not a deficit in itself.<br /><br /><br />"as members of the class were either on the side of nature OR nurture, but never considering that the answer could be both"<br /><br />Ah, I see you have understanding. This is how I see it too, and it puzzles me somewhat that the versus notion keeps coming up. In my eyes it's just fairly obvious that both aspects are part of all people's personal make up. *s*<br /><br /><br />"Food for thought"<br /><br />Indeed, there's always food for thought. But I don't think you would have been neurotypical even without the bullying. <br /><br />The final answer, I believe, has yet to be found. <br /><br />I wish you good luck ahead!...<br /><br /><br />Ps. If you feel like it, take a look at my blog. I touch on several of the subjects you mention in your mail.Zhawqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149309325116416338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-13147744178007348752011-04-13T16:18:57.171-07:002011-04-13T16:18:57.171-07:00Hey guys, I'm an asshole! Listen to me pretend...Hey guys, I'm an asshole! Listen to me pretend to be a sociopath when I really am a narcissist, at that!Adamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-31007995780334525702011-04-13T16:07:31.564-07:002011-04-13T16:07:31.564-07:00Out of pure curiosity, do any of you have a person...Out of pure curiosity, do any of you have a person who you would go out of your way NOT to hurt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com