tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post179591285189229701..comments2024-03-18T07:07:07.291-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: Animal morality?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-68781067568927937642013-06-27T22:19:24.543-07:002013-06-27T22:19:24.543-07:00I don't know how to get swept up in someone, t...I don't know how to get swept up in someone, that sort of emotion is foreign to me. I've observed it in others but it isn't present in myselfAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-43309468391567249792013-06-25T04:39:47.760-07:002013-06-25T04:39:47.760-07:00i dont know how to do that. I feel i flirt with k...i dont know how to do that. I feel i flirt with killing my heart. intimacy Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-24895847898157409212013-06-25T00:31:50.266-07:002013-06-25T00:31:50.266-07:00you are flaunting your ability to discard easily.
...you are flaunting your ability to discard easily.<br /><br />you dont have a desire to get lost in someone? It is my fantasy to get swept up without thinking of losing. Intimacy Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-72667275175180850102013-06-25T00:15:43.162-07:002013-06-25T00:15:43.162-07:00thank you for explaining that Machempath.
thank you for explaining that Machempath.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-20140627307324079982013-06-25T00:06:15.079-07:002013-06-25T00:06:15.079-07:00Something like that happened to me with my ex. I w...Something like that happened to me with my ex. I was quite shocked when she left me and rather distressed at the destruction of a persona I had been building for 5 and a half years. It took me an entire two days to get over it, which is a long time for me. But I managed to use my "grief" to get a week off work and then get my parents to pay for me to come to India for a month with them so it worked out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07092274662687830878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-83890708068246098632013-06-24T14:12:50.812-07:002013-06-24T14:12:50.812-07:00Well, then I guess we have no common interests. Yo...Well, then I guess we have no common interests. You think an honest debate with me is a waste of time and I am not interested in talking about myself. Not even to the point of making a deal. <br /><br />Maybe you find funny your shotgunning, but I never saw the point of them. My sociopath also used to do some mild ones and I thought of them as a very cheap method to get information. Till I saw his darker side I also thought he had some developmental issue in the autism spectrum. I thought I could help him with it. <br /><br />Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-44472420917909232472013-06-24T13:47:59.499-07:002013-06-24T13:47:59.499-07:00I’m not sincerely reasoning with you at this point...I’m not sincerely reasoning with you at this point. The comments prior to the 9:25 ones were me shotgunning, throwing shit at a wall and seeing if anything stuck. (I really didn’t share anything about the origin of my nihilism.) You deflected well. Although you do have some interesting things to say from time to time, there’s an impenetrable wall that blocks your comprehension. It’s either a developmental issue (hence my theory that you may be on the autism spectrum) or your ideology thoroughly clouds your mind. Or both. Either way, you’ve taught me that honest debate with you is a waste of time. <br /><br />But to be fair, I don’t care to go there anymore either, with you or anybody else here. Now if you’d caught me a few years ago, I would have debated you, point by point by point. Read some of the older threads. But that kind of thing just isn’t interesting to me anymore. <br /><br />The personal is more interesting. Potentially anyway. Who is Jessi really? Again, I’m not literally asking for your name or any other specific identifying information. I’m more interested in your story, beyond the “sociopath hurt me” one. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-45248797307580096762013-06-24T13:26:25.264-07:002013-06-24T13:26:25.264-07:00"Your last set of comments actually wasn’t to..."Your last set of comments actually wasn’t too bad BJ"<br /><br />I can't say the same about your answer about the origin of your nihilism but probably there is none besides a generalized lack on interest.<br /><br />"Except for the part about your would be boyfriend being responsible for your pain. "<br /><br />Of course he is responsible of my pain, and for making me lose my time too. So, according to you why is he not responsible for my pain?<br /><br /><br /><br />Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-70952213085025451772013-06-24T12:03:08.243-07:002013-06-24T12:03:08.243-07:00Birdick and Jessi would make a cute couple and And...Birdick and Jessi would make a cute couple and Andy has avoidant personality disorder, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-51425459949561488232013-06-24T11:48:22.647-07:002013-06-24T11:48:22.647-07:00Hmmm. Interesting. Your last set of comments actua...Hmmm. Interesting. Your last set of comments actually wasn’t too bad BJ. Except for the part about your would be boyfriend being responsible for your pain. <br /><br />That’s why I keep interacting with you. Every so often you’ll say something that doesn’t make you sound completely immune to both reason and nuance. Even the “other ways of knowing” rhetoric wasn’t that bad. Just common and short sighted. <br /><br />Ok then, carry on. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-46450720199336240282013-06-24T10:43:26.213-07:002013-06-24T10:43:26.213-07:00“Your would be soul mate isn’t the source of your ...<i> “Your would be soul mate isn’t the source of your pain.” </i><br /><br />Yes, he is.<br /> <br /><i> “He’s not responsible for your heartbreak.” </i> <br /><br />No, he is not. <br /><br />Heartbreak is something else, in my opinion. He is responsible for the fraud. He is responsible of the pain related to the fraud. Heartbreak is when you love someone and the person doesn’t love you back or similar, which I would definitely not apply it here.<br /><br /><i> “the hope of bolstering your rationalization of his lack of feelings for you” </i> <br /><br />I see you still don’t get it. If I love someone I care if the person has feelings for me, but even if he is a loving person and does not have feelings for me I don’t rationalize his lack of feelings for me. Some people love us and some don’t, that’s all, the same phenomena happens with me towards other people. That’s life. I can assume not to love and not to be loved. And I don’t relate anybody’s worth to the fact a concrete person loves them or not. I haven’t loved people that were really worthy, I just didn’t feel love, and I don’t think they should feel inferior in any sense. I apply the same thing towards myself.<br /><br /><i> “In fact, I bet there were a series of people who one by one proved that they didn’t care about you. I bet you keep wondering why you end up on the losing end, don’t you? And the more rejection you feel, the more you arm yourself with your faux righteousness and delusions of strength.” </i> <br /><br />You will thoroughly lose that bet. But this is how you see people that are righteous? That the rejection brought them to the righteous side? Why would that be? My experience showed me completely the opposite, people that were rejected either grow in hate and developed a rage that substitutes real strength or try to be superficially compliant with others wishes in order not to be rejected anymore, but they don’t tend to be righteous at all in either case.<br /><br /><i> “You wanted it. You earned it. You need to be rejected, perhaps even emotionally abused. Being the victim allows you to maintain your logic proof beliefs about you being the reasonable” </i> <br /><br />Your logic is so sick. To be rejected in love proves nothing, neither about you, nor about the other one. And to be a victim of an emotional abuse or of whatever other type of abuse, proves only ONE thing: that there was a villain who executed an evil action. <b> The action just defines the one who perpetrates it. </b> A person is neither better nor worse for being a victim of any abuse. <br /><br /><i> “It couldn’t possibly be that you’re rigid, frigid, dull, and unattractive, could it?”<br />“You say you don’t want children and maybe that’s partly true. The other part is that you don’t want kids because no one wants to have kids with you.” </i> <br /><br />I wonder if you write this to know if I am nice-looking. Because frankly, I am a woman, there is nothing easier for a woman than to get laid, and even to have kids. I can’t believe you don’t know plenty of rigid, frigid, dull and unattractive women who became mothers. <br /><br />Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-53656108210298408472013-06-24T10:30:25.101-07:002013-06-24T10:30:25.101-07:00When I suggest the motivation of avoiding abandonm...When I suggest the motivation of avoiding abandonment, I'm not implying that emotional neediness surrounds a sociopathic aversion to losing a chosen attachment. Abandonment fears in pop culture tend to be associated with borderline/histrionic individuals who are motivated similarly to the character Glenn Close plays in Fatal Attraction. In that framework, the increasingly psychotic efforts to avoid abandonment seem to be rooted in childhood loss and emotional neediness. That's not what I am talking about here.<br /><br />My sense is that sociopaths have a "colder" aversion to abandonment. Abandonment in its most basic terms is the experience of being the one left holding the bag/the one who cared more. Sociopaths are able to extract resources and then efficiently extract themselves from relationships once the effort of resource extraction exceeds the value of a resource. They always have the upper hand. <br /><br />I highly doubt that a sociopath sits around and cries about why they got dumped. Instead, I think that they resent the fact they had personal resources still invested that were instrumental in some sort of attachment relationship that effectively are lost through the experience of abandonment. Abandonment = losing. Abandoning = winning. <br /><br />The more a sociopath allows themselves to invest personal resources (time, reputation, money) in an attachment relationship, the more they stand to lose if the other party walks out. Perhaps this is the main reason intimacy is so threatening and false selves are how the sociopath typically relates to the world. The ultimate "resource" anyone has is their own will, for it is the seat of power and meaningful action within the individual. If an individual observes and rejects a sociopath, the experience is quite traumatic because the sociopath becomes the "played", rather than the "player". It's the ultimate insult.onewomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11320973006497715467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-4960360901078881292013-06-24T10:13:57.749-07:002013-06-24T10:13:57.749-07:00*Another who they would seduce eho would be just a...*Another who they would seduce eho would be just as accepting, ratherintimacy anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-32009830536494808552013-06-24T10:11:15.164-07:002013-06-24T10:11:15.164-07:00I didnt know a sociopath would fear abandonment ev...I didnt know a sociopath would fear abandonment ever, even if that would occur. I thought they would have regret abt losing a person like that but move on to another they could seduce and accept them, <br /><br />One would have to b very careful not to reveal their fear. They wouldd need to be as unflinching as they are, they would need to b teflon and let the shit roll off their back, and they, themselves would need to be strong enough to risk being abandooned. Once a person devotes themself they have to be the kindvto say oh well cest la vie . <br /><br />They would have to have similar ambivalence about forming attachments. What kind of sociopath would b remotely interested in having a relationship with a person ambivalent about whether they took off? Doesnt their narcicism require unflinching attachment to them?intimacy anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-42675490941839937492013-06-24T09:51:19.314-07:002013-06-24T09:51:19.314-07:00Hey Birdick, you've got me readin rationalwiki...Hey Birdick, you've got me readin rationalwiki and I've come across the Barnum effect. It makes use of the natural tendency of people to assign detail and specific meaning to generalized statements. When I look at most personality disorders, this kicks in pretty fiercely.<br /><br />Does that make me totally fucked up, does it make psychiatric diagnoses total bullshit, or both?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-12205276632097866072013-06-24T09:25:45.464-07:002013-06-24T09:25:45.464-07:00Time for a little "tough love" BJ.
You...Time for a little "tough love" BJ. <br /><br />Your would be soul mate isn’t the source of your pain. He’s not responsible for your heartbreak. I know you want to believe that. You cling to it like a fundamentalist clings to her dogma for dear life. And you remain here, commenting at this website, with the hope of bolstering your rationalization of his lack of feelings for you. You have a need to prove your superiority over your would be boyfriend and over all the other people in your life that didn’t and don’t give a damn about you. In fact, I bet there were a series of people who one by one proved that they didn’t care about you. I bet you keep wondering why you end up on the losing end, don’t you? And the more rejection you feel, the more you arm yourself with your faux righteousness and delusions of strength.<br /><br />You wanted it. You earned it. You need to be rejected, perhaps even emotionally abused. Being the victim allows you to maintain your logic proof beliefs about you being the reasonable, good hearted innocent while he and everyone else who doesn’t fit neatly into your tiny little conceptual boxes are bad, wicked, sociopaths. It couldn’t possibly be that you’re rigid, frigid, dull, and unattractive, could it? No, it had to be because he is an evil sociopath and you his unsuspecting victim. Of course he wasn't just like you! You are a loser, by your own choice. <br /><br />You say you don’t want children and maybe that’s partly true. The other part is that you don’t want kids because no one wants to have kids with you. You have to sex first and… well… I’m guessing you don’t get many takers, do you?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-20896665648924020052013-06-24T09:05:37.955-07:002013-06-24T09:05:37.955-07:00To be more specific, he miserably failed the "...To be more specific, he miserably failed the "I am just like you" phase. Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-66853755407008947702013-06-24T08:55:15.688-07:002013-06-24T08:55:15.688-07:00He was a sociopath by the book. Once I suspected i...He was a sociopath by the book. Once I suspected it, I took the the time to investigate him and I clicked them all. Google for the specific behaviour of a sociopath if you don't know about them. <br /><br />"Did you think he felt more for you than he really did?"<br /><br />He pretended to feel something for me. It is not about "I think he felt" people communicate these things. <br /><br />"Did you tell yourself that he would pierce your bubble of isolation (metaphor) only to find out that he didn't really give a damn about you?"<br /><br />No, because that is not my character. I don't search for anyone to pierce any bubble of isolation, I reach to people I like. He didn't give a damn about me, of course.<br /><br />"Or you here trying to figure out how you could have been so wrong about him"<br /><br />I am going to begin to think that you are too stupid to understand it. I was not wrong about him. He pretended to be someone he was not. He didn't just pretended to feel something for me. He played the role of a guy he was not. And knowing me a little, you should be able to have a glimpse at which behaviour someone should adopt to make me believe he is my soul-mate. <br /><br />The only think I felt is that he used too many cliches and that made me suspect from the beginning something could be off.<br /><br />"why I would equate your comments at 5:49AM with the "other ways of knowing" argument."<br /><br />Because you mix up what you ignore with "other ways of knowing". So while I talk about philosophy in the broad-spectrum you think about esoterics. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-5012123625752006322013-06-24T07:29:03.285-07:002013-06-24T07:29:03.285-07:00You've done a Google search. Good. Now look at...You've done a Google search. Good. Now look at that phrase on a site like Rational Wiki, etc. Then stop for a moment and think about why I would equate your comments at 5:49AM with the "other ways of knowing" argument.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-58445723765135977372013-06-24T07:26:39.557-07:002013-06-24T07:26:39.557-07:00Do you see what I mean BJ? I have to spell it out ...Do you see what I mean BJ? I have to spell it out for you because you take everything very literally. No, I am not asking for his name, address, country of origin, etc. It is possible for you tell the story and include specific behaviors which lead you to believe he was a sociopath while simultaneously hiding all the relavant details of his legal identity. Then again, if I'm right, this may in fact not be possible for you.<br /><br />Let me take a further guess. Did you think he felt more for you than he really did? Did you tell yourself that he would pierce your bubble of isolation (metaphor) only to find out that he didn't really give a damn about you? Or you here trying to figure out how you could have been so wrong about him and jumping to the conclusion that he must have been a sociopath rather than looking at the possibility that you are not as smart or as insightful as you think you are?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-37155431685669832812013-06-24T07:18:49.723-07:002013-06-24T07:18:49.723-07:00If you think I was talking about "other ways ...If you think I was talking about "other ways of knowing" read it again.Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-80612461978916514662013-06-24T07:15:05.110-07:002013-06-24T07:15:05.110-07:00Birdick, I am not going to give details about the ...Birdick, I am not going to give details about the guy, but when I suspected he could be one I checked his past. Reached to one of his ex and verified some professional information he had given. He is a clear case. Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-30004344751286910892013-06-24T07:10:15.597-07:002013-06-24T07:10:15.597-07:00Nope. You have to forge your own path to understan...Nope. You have to forge your own path to understanding. And just in case that wasn't clear, doing your own answer finding will help you internalize those answers better than me giving you more debating points to totally miss. Google "other ways of knowing" and find out for yourself. Also Google Asperger's. <br /><br />And yes, the only thing interesting you have left to say is why you think your boyfriend was a sociopath. What were his exact behaviors? Spell it out, why don't ya. Unless of course, deep down you're afraid that I may be right about your misunderstanding...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-9847901316588668692013-06-24T07:01:20.851-07:002013-06-24T07:01:20.851-07:00I use and appreciate analogies and metaphors when ...I use and appreciate analogies and metaphors when there is a good understanding with someone. Unfortunately I have seen too many times here how analogies and metaphors serve to be ambiguous and to divert the discussion point. <br /><br />5:49 was me, so please explain in a concise and explicit way the "other ways of knowing" gambit. With some people you have to go down to the literally level. <br /><br />I am not going to discuss with you if that guy was a sociopath or not, you don't know him, I know him. And though it appears to you very unlikely that he had the sociopath's characteristics, he had them. <br />Jessinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-39628342938972368902013-06-24T06:52:06.546-07:002013-06-24T06:52:06.546-07:00Google Asperger's BJ. It might turn out to be ...Google Asperger's BJ. It might turn out to be enlightening for you. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07454357880087789626noreply@blogger.com