tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post173119669278053079..comments2024-03-28T00:33:57.308-07:00Comments on Sociopath World: Effectively parenting a sociopath (part II)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger129125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-49023615103625371232009-11-15T20:11:32.756-08:002009-11-15T20:11:32.756-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-59962175864530345962009-11-15T20:11:26.711-08:002009-11-15T20:11:26.711-08:00Jimmy said, “Can any real sociopaths here tell me ...Jimmy said, <i>“Can any real sociopaths here tell me if they feel the need to have people care about them?”</i><br /><br />I can’t speak for “real sociopaths”. I can, however, speak for the me that I am and I don’t. I no more need people to care about me than I need an enema. Otherwise, I could care less.<br /><br /><i>“Do sociopaths have the same sentiments about this?”</i><br /><br />Again, I’m not a sociopath spokesperson. But for me, I’d find not being able to evoke the kinds of feelings you talk about problematic only to the degree that it was an obstacle to me achieving any of my goals.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-11667479108537828102009-11-15T19:43:24.481-08:002009-11-15T19:43:24.481-08:00Just a couple of questions from an infinitely curi...Just a couple of questions from an infinitely curious "empath".<br /><br />Can any real sociopaths here tell me if they feel the need to have people care about them?<br /><br />That's just something I've wondered about. If truth be told, I'm fairly narcissistic and I really get a kick out of knowing (after an investment on my behalf) people care about me, like me, love me, feel guilt towards me or would greatly miss me (and I say that's narcissistic because I care more about them caring about me than I care about them - and it's as much about knowing I can <i>affect</i> them like this). <br /><br />And this is the main thing I find depressing about the existence of sociopaths and psychopaths. Whatever I do, I can't inspire those feelings in such people. Do sociopaths have the same sentiments about this? <br /><br />Also, assuming there are at least a few experts on the subject here, what is/are the defining difference(s) between a sociopath and a psychopath? <br /><br />I've always just classified a psychopath as a sociopath on their way up :)Jimmynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-49165528194481132892009-11-13T07:37:18.989-08:002009-11-13T07:37:18.989-08:00UKan, people don't fear the power so much as t...UKan, people don't fear the power so much as the way it will likely be used. It may be difficult for you to differentiate between the two, as the power is a direct result of your methodology, but they're two very different beasts.Peter Panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01541806171758034219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-46151976769195141592009-11-13T06:02:05.931-08:002009-11-13T06:02:05.931-08:00It seems so-called sociopaths have a different set...It seems so-called sociopaths have a different set of weaknesses than so-called empaths.<br /><br />--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-73010040334580833412009-11-12T22:08:47.694-08:002009-11-12T22:08:47.694-08:00I am actually blind and childless Ukan, so can you...I am actually blind and childless Ukan, so can you please explain?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-13065105542968614012009-11-12T21:43:16.242-08:002009-11-12T21:43:16.242-08:00A parent would have patience. A child is the ultim...A parent would have patience. A child is the ultimate protoge. You would have to be blind not to see the advantages.UKannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-470759987641758052009-11-12T20:38:47.893-08:002009-11-12T20:38:47.893-08:00lurker-
I do..But then again Im not a sociopath. I...lurker-<br />I do..But then again Im not a sociopath. I dont understand what 'sociopaths' have against children.. I dont get it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-55926386480520234032009-11-12T13:58:57.299-08:002009-11-12T13:58:57.299-08:00Who here has the patience to train a young child o...Who here has the patience to train a young child of any type?<br />--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-78223128523239681522009-11-12T13:40:20.146-08:002009-11-12T13:40:20.146-08:00What UKan said made sense for anyone who is a pare...What UKan said made sense for anyone who is a parent of a young sociopathic child. Nice advice man.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-78859010875710475922009-11-12T13:29:54.435-08:002009-11-12T13:29:54.435-08:00Lurker, of course not. I can speak for myself in s...Lurker, of course not. I can speak for myself in saying I don't care for building a community with fairness and respect. It surprises me that anyone does in this day and age with all the nonsense going on. Everyone's out for themselves. You can see it on the highway, at work, or at the pub. I think what people fear is the fact that sociopathic people have a lot of power in the fact they can persuade people easily, they're pragmatic, and they're driven towards control. It's one thing to want power, but it's something completely different when you can obtain it with ease. For a lot of people that's a dangerous monster. In some cases it actually is a dangerous monster. As I've said before power is the ultimate high. You think you are consuming it, and the fact is that it's consuming you.<br />You have to find a way to focus the child towards wielding power correctly and in a way that is not self destructive. Emphasis on self destructive, because people want emphasis on not destroying the community and that doesn't even matter to a sociopath. You have to take every sociopathic trait and train the child to not get carried away to their own determent. In training these traits you would have to appeal to their narcissistic attitude and self preservation.UKannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-40027083557994991682009-11-12T08:11:09.641-08:002009-11-12T08:11:09.641-08:00Daniel Birdick,
Interesting comment on child-rear...Daniel Birdick,<br /><br />Interesting comment on child-rearing.<br /><br />And thanks for your sincere good wishes. So far, so good.<br /><br />--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-90657683838529542252009-11-12T07:02:22.139-08:002009-11-12T07:02:22.139-08:00lurker:
Of course it would matter how my hypothet...lurker:<br /><br />Of course it would matter how my hypothetical child ended up. Not enough to send me into a tailspin of despair and misery if they made a series of ‘unfortunate’ choices mind you. No one will have that kind of say over my emotional state of being, not even my own child. I’d care though, in my own way. I think. For me, productive in this context means that he would grow up equipped to face the world and make the most out of it, however <b>he</b> defines that. I’d want to tailor my parenting responses to the child’s unique personality and not according to any notions about being an “upstanding member of society”. That would quite literally be the last thing on my mind when it comes to my theoretical parenting philosophy.<br /><br /><i>“For many reasons, I would like every child to grow up to embody principals of fairness, respect, and compassion. The most selfish of these reasons is that I like to live in a community where people treat each other with fairness, respect, and compassion.”</i><br /><br />Good luck with that.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-59413534228981468042009-11-12T05:30:50.205-08:002009-11-12T05:30:50.205-08:00--lurker--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-14452825691728024932009-11-12T05:30:20.638-08:002009-11-12T05:30:20.638-08:00Daniel,
If, for some reason, you did have a child ...Daniel,<br />If, for some reason, you did have a child of your own, would it matter to you whether the child grew up to be productive, jailed, or dead?<br /><br />For many reasons, I would like every child to grow up to embody principals of fairness, respect, and compassion. The most selfish of these reasons is that I like to live in a community where people treat each other with fairness, respect, and compassion.<br /><br />UKan,<br />It is always difficult when dealing with a person who does not share your value system. How could you convince a sociopath to conform to a value system he does not value? I imagine that, in general, it is not possible. In particular cases, there may be hooks. Like "Well, you know, she will eventually pull herself together and tell people. Then you likely won't get that promotion you want". In a case where he has figured out how to steal (embezzle, phreak, insurance or credit card fraud) without getting caught, this may be more difficult.<br /><br />If "Helping to build a community where people treat each other with fairness and respect" is not on his list of goals, appealing to this ideal will not motivate him. Will it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-88497870498557959822009-11-12T03:23:37.765-08:002009-11-12T03:23:37.765-08:00No hijacker my manic phase is far from over. I'...No hijacker my manic phase is far from over. I'm just getting started.UKanBkidnapped2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-71582036015912659112009-11-11T21:57:03.840-08:002009-11-11T21:57:03.840-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-90823793490437445392009-11-11T21:50:16.606-08:002009-11-11T21:50:16.606-08:00My manic phase is over. Check back next week.My manic phase is over. Check back next week.UKanGetYourHopesUpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-36284658280909170622009-11-11T21:48:53.993-08:002009-11-11T21:48:53.993-08:00UKan has been known to give out some good insight ...UKan has been known to give out some good insight in between his moments of psychotic ranting about nothing in particular and casual bashing of other commenters where grudges become him when he feels insulted, threatened or simply annoyed. Pigs flying have nothing to do with it, just his violent mood swings that alternate into charisma worthy of paying attention, until he flips again. Sadly, he is in rant mode more often then not.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-35699080722736848412009-11-11T21:43:32.609-08:002009-11-11T21:43:32.609-08:00lurker:
People can choose ‘fairness’. It’s obvio...lurker:<br /><br />People can choose ‘fairness’. It’s obvious however that they choose ‘unfairness’ more often though. If you don’t believe me, just take a random perusal of the headlines in any newspaper anywhere.<br /><br />It helps to speak in vague generalities when discussing ideals, like fairness based communities. No offense lurker, but I’ve noticed that you tend to do just that: speak in vague generalities. That way it’s easier to stay on a theoretical level rather than having to deal with the untidy realities we all have to face in our everyday lives. For example, where are these communities you speak of? Also, it’s one thing to talk about what everyone <i>says</i> they value. It’s quite another to notice what people <i>actually</i> value, which is always revealed in results. The US, the country I live in (because I don’t know where you’re from lurker), is a prime example of the difference between what people say they value and what they really value. I’ll assume that I don’t have to give specific examples, since the news is chock full of them.<br /><br />Would I love to live in a world where I was nice and everyone was nice or to use your terms, fair and compassionate? Actually, I don’t know the answer to that question. For better or worse, mankind has derived great value in having to face hardships, competition, endurance, struggling for survival against all odds. That struggle very often included warfare, mass slaughter, gross inequality and ruthless empire building. We (and modern civilization) are living proof of that value because we are all descendants of the winners, the ones who beat the odds, the survivors. It is arguable that we would not enjoy any of the benefits we take for granted today, including our big brains, without the previously mentioned 'horrors'. That was a good question lurker, one that I hadn’t thought about in a while.<br /><br />And lastly, I knew you were going to call me on my “I hope” comment. lol The truth is I could care less about the child referenced in ME’s post. I’m used to saying things like that in my offline world to be polite that’s all.Daniel Birdicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-4556264214132615792009-11-11T21:34:57.991-08:002009-11-11T21:34:57.991-08:00wow ukan, you are actually giving positive and pro...wow ukan, you are actually giving positive and productive feedback? Is that even possible for you? Pigs flying or hell freeze over?not a lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-76870263492235291352009-11-11T21:33:02.949-08:002009-11-11T21:33:02.949-08:00Lurker--
I like the way you think..
Good solid ide...Lurker--<br />I like the way you think..<br />Good solid ideas..<br /><br />--not a lurker!!!not a lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-33818707783934587982009-11-11T21:30:12.784-08:002009-11-11T21:30:12.784-08:00I don't understand the debates on here sometim...I don't understand the debates on here sometimes. A lot of you are debating on being a sociopath or empath like it's a choice. Disney you take a condemning viewpoint on sociopaths as a whole before and after you returned. I can tell you right now that condemnation won't work on sociopathic personalities, because they don't care. You should focus on channeling peoples personalities, instead of witch hunting them. If you show a sociopath how something works in their benefit they are more likely to listen. Just telling them something is morally right or wrong won't do anything, but have them turn up their nose at you.UKannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-68863197303089581732009-11-11T21:09:39.586-08:002009-11-11T21:09:39.586-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Sobriquethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02706034738099640224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-628748600098131100.post-70135383595608766302009-11-11T20:59:49.651-08:002009-11-11T20:59:49.651-08:00Daniel,
Why do you hope that the child in the blog...Daniel,<br />Why do you hope that the child in the blog posting learns to be productive? What's it to you?<br /><br />--lurkerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com