Wednesday, March 23, 2011

Famous sociopaths (part 2)

Another recent find is the artist Amedeo Modigliani, as featured in a recent NY Times article:
  • A recent biography "recasts the artist’s character from dissolute victim to active performer, one who controlled the way his life would be viewed by his contemporaries, and by ­history."
  • "[H]e tended to carry himself like a prince. And the experience of having survived a series of childhood health crises, including tuberculosis, only increased his sense of exceptionalism.
  • "Unsurprisingly, he viewed artists as privileged beings. At 17, he wrote that as a species they had “different rights, different values than do normal, ordinary people because we have different needs which put us — it has to be said and you must believe it — above their moral standards."
  • In seeking financial support: "Sometimes it came in sustained relationships with women like the British journalist and poet Beatrice Hastings. Hastings, under the name Alice Morning, wrote a running account of the Parisian art scene for an avant-garde journal called The New Age. She had a caregiver’s temperament (she collected stray animals and nursed wounded wasps back to health) and money she didn’t mind sharing, and she liked to get high. She was everything he needed.
  • "[H]e consciously used intoxicants as a cover to hide a “great secret,” that being the recurrence of his tuberculosis. . . . Modigliani, terrified of the social ostracism that would result if he were known to have the highly contagious disease, deliberately fostered a reputation as an alcoholic and addict to prevent detection. This cover allowed him to freely drink the wine that soothed his coughing, use the drugs that gave him energy to work — his output of paintings surged in his last years — and pass off as drunk and disorderly any irritable or violent outbursts. . . . [T]he very idea of someone keeping quiet about a lethal and contagious disease raises serious ethical issues. Did he ever warn his friends, and his countless lovers, about their risk of infection from him? We have no evidence one way or the other."
  • "[O]ne of his dealers, described him as 'all charm, all impulsiveness, all disdain.' The writer Max Jacob, who was very much part of Modigliani’s bohemian crowd, called him 'the most unpleasant man I knew. Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked.'"
  • Cheated on his pregnant, teenage girlfriend, who killed herself days after he died.

119 comments:

  1. "Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked."

    That's about what you'd expect.

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  2. soooooooo.........ummmm.........I went to the store today.....again.....um...... yeah....I, um...bought some more bread......um....I also bought some penut butter.....I....um....well I was trying to make my mind up about buying penut butter or ketchup.....um...but yeah, I felt like having a penut butter sandwich sooooooo....I just bought penut butter in the end.....you know.....um....well I though about getting the both, but.....um...well, I didn't want to go to crazy....you know?.....yeah...

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  3. "But then, as Secrest repeatedly acknowledges, much about Modigliani's life and personality is guesswork."

    Caravaggio, on the other hand, has an impressive police dossier.

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  4. In before "No he's clearly a Narc" comment.

    Thanks for the other link, Tortured Artist.

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  5. BPD not ruthless

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  6. Lol @ Note.

    He sounds like your typical 19th - early 20th century artist to me.

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  7. Sorry to tell all you "sociopaths" but to be clinically diagnosed it takes hours of interviewing, faggots.

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  8. The first Medusa avatar that I used to use. ---->

    Caravaggio.

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  9. You are soo deep.

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  10. haha i like this dude.
    Nice pic Medusa.

    i won't go on...

    :D

    i'm sweaty and need a shower...

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  11. Viewed a Caravaggio exhibit in Florence last August at the Uffuzi. Very dark in tone and mood and yet very exciting. I brought home that Medusa image of his in a pin.


    I wear it to to church.


    Just kidding . . . Maybe not.

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  12. @Anon... BPD not ruthless? WTF?

    Caravaggio sounds fascinating. Nice pic Medusa.

    '...all charm, all impulsiveness, all disdain.'

    I don't know why but I like this distinction. I think a lot of anons here forget that to be charming is also a mark of the socio. Not just angry and lashing out.

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  16. [fixed link, brain problems]

    This is another painting that I feel particularly attached to.

    Goya's output went dramatically darker after he became seriously ill and deaf. He painted this on a wall in his house after he basically completely shunned society and humanity.

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  17. Casey's bully, budding sociopath, has no remorse, claims self-defense. Just look at him and his body language.

    With crocodile-teared, half-dead, toothless parents like that, and his claims of being bullied in the past, it's no surprise.

    He took way too long to answer the question: "Will you bully again?"

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  18. His is learned sociopathy, he is thrash.

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  19. It's the best, clearest, most no-doubt-about-it example of sociopathy I have seen yet.

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  20. Anon, who didn't "learn" their sociopathy? Fool. They're all sociopaths. If you find one you think is not a sociopath, they're just better at it than you.

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  21. Who gives a fuck if he a sociopath? What is a sociopath without his narcissism? If he had narcissism he would have gotten those teeth fixed, ugly little bastard.

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  22. Ha! Or was that "tragic" gold? That's what Cronus said as he devoured his children. Just ask Goya.

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  23. soulful you are a total idiot. you are socio bait.

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  24. how old are you medusa?

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  25. He probably is a sociopath, but the dumb bank robbing criminal type.

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  26. You sound like some lady to me, to be honest.

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  27. What about Joel Steinberg?

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  28. I'm Adam's aunt.

    I've been totally playing him all this time.

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  29. "soulful you are a total idiot. you are socio bait."

    Bait and hook to you. Its all one game idiot.

    Medusa LOL!

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  30. This one is a good example, M.E. I'm fairly sure he would fit the profile.

    But if you look at the second passage about him...Then imagine this was today, but he was known as an artist - not as sociopathic/psychopathic/Antisocial (<-- which he definitely also was).

    Even today - or maybe even more today than before - if you're an artist, it's okay if you say all the things that we - the psychopaths and Antisocials - typically say, and you will be seen as merely eccentric and a great personality, 'larger than life' and all that.

    Yeah, "Such a CHARMING man!", says some.
    "What a HORRIBLY insensitive man, how can HE create such great art!??", says another.

    Right. Some of us know the answer to that, right guys?

    .....

    Anon 8:11,

    "Sorry to tell all you "sociopaths" but to be clinically diagnosed it takes hours of interviewing, faggots."

    Haha. Were you diagnosed after a few hours' interview?

    Okay, I'm not a diagnosed Sociopath, so I wouldn't know for sure. But Sociopathy is grouped with Psychopathy, which is something I do know about in regard to diagnosis.

    My point is I think it takes a bit more than some hours of interview. Furthermore there's extensive research into your past AND interviews with people who have known you. This is needed because so much of it relates to behavior.

    But again - don't shoot me if I'm wrong. It may be that you can be diagnosed a Sociopath in a few hours. What do I know, just sounds preposterous to me. ;)

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  31. Haven:

    "I think a lot of anons here forget that to be charming is also a mark of the socio. Not just angry and lashing out."

    Funny you should mention that. I've seen it so many times on Antisocial fora and blogs i.e., that people plain out do not believe someone who claims to have AsPD merely because he's acting not only normal and friendly, but too friendly, too nice!

    Sometimes it seems it'd be a good thing to be perceived an artist. You can do more or less whatever you want, be a real asshole, and nobody will accuse of you of being a psychopath. You'll be the 'Suffering Artist' who can't help it.

    Actually, I've done this on occasion over the years. But obviously not as a persistent persona I could carry with me as a passport to 'do-what-you-like-however-you-like Land'.

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  32. sociopaths are only nice when they want something from you and you aren't looking for anything zhawq.

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  33. I thought you said you were diognosed whe you were eighteen, Zhawq.

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  34. Also, what exactly do you think the difference between psychopathy and sociopathy is, Zhawq?

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  35. Charm is arms war with a see.

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  36. Sometimes it seems it'd be a good thing to be perceived an artist.

    This week in music news:

    "The last year has been a wild ride for Hawaiian musician Bruno Mars (nee Peter Gene Hernandez). The newly minted pop singer has ascended to the heights of fame, penned the hook for Cee-Lo's smash hit "Fuck You," picked up seven Grammy nominations and one win, netted triple-platinum sales, and was arrested in Vegas for cocaine possession.

    "I'm not gonna preach that I'm a role model," he told GQ in his defense. "I'm a fucking musician! But I've learned people are watching, so don't do nothing stupid." Luckily for Mars, the prosecutor who charged him has a secret of his own, and now everybody "nose" it. Clark County Deputy District Attorney David Charles Schubert was arrested on Saturday for possession of...COCAINE. Apparently the irony was inescapable."

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  37. The name Bruno Mars is so narc.

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  38. The writer's depiction of Modigliani's personal life sounds similar in some ways to Rossetti's – he was a charming, cruel man who like Modigliani, and Picasso, had blood on his hands from his lover's suicide.

    How much of Modigliani and Rossetti's behaviour, as well as that of their doomed lovers, was fuelled by the social structure of their time is of course debatable though.

    In Modigliani's case to have tuberculosis was to be viewed as "a stigma and a crime, and that the culprit must be subjected to all manner of indecencies and cruel treatment."

    Picasso was an(other) egotistical, abusive artist who drove women to madness...

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  39. And Rodin drove Camille Claudel to madness. She started as his student, then lover and muse. After their affair ended he made sure his power and influence prevented her success as a fellow artist. Badass- set the bomb . . . and watch it smolder until it blows.

    The badass and madness seem to attract each other. What does this say about the human condition?

    Plenty.

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  40. Frida Kahlo/Diego Rivera

    She was a tough cookie as well, though.

    "I was born a bitch. I was born a painter."

    Jean-Paul Sartre/Simone de Beauvoir

    Manipulative relationship. She also groomed girls so he could have affairs with them (and she slept with them as well). They were both a couple of paedophiliac dicks, always competing with each other in love, and using everyone around them.

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  41. I'm am beginning to see perfection in a pattern.

    Most human dramas in regards to sex and death will be remembered only among family members. Yet the infamous seem to do it its on rocket propelled steriods.
    Kinda of a badass immortality.

    Fear of death behind it? Or lust of impulse?

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  42. Voltaire and Emilie du Chatelet also an interesting match. Broke all the rules. Worked for them. Just as brilliant, not as twisted.

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  43. What's particularly interesting about Sartre and de Beauvoir is that they were very deliberately bent on living amoral lives, as per their philosophies. A couple of the very few philosophers who actually attempted to live what they preach, instead of merely sitting in their rooms all their lives being all schizoid with their chins in their hands.

    Diogenes was another good example of walking the walk.

    And what's more manipulative and BPDish/HPDish than Van Gogh sending his ear to a prostitute?

    Ad nauseam...

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  44. this place ain't what it used to be.

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  45. 8========D al ur moms hahahahahahah those bitches love it (;

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  46. Used to be when?

    A month ago or a year ago?

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  47. i liked this place better when it wasnt filled with sociopaths the wannabe socios may be losers but atleast their long boring pile of crap sentances are interesting

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  48. just saying that it used to be interesting not so long ago. there was arguments and people telling stories and about two hundred comments on every thread. now you people are talking about musc and art and all types of boring crap and half the regulars have disappeared or almost disappeared.

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  49. i liked this place better when it wasnt filled with sociopaths

    well that's what's going on now anon. the real and interesting sociopaths are hardly around anymore. they don't talk about all this intellectual trash but they're alot more interesting anyway.

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  50. but atleast their long boring pile of crap sentances are interesting

    long boring and interesting? wtf?!

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  51. havent you read hare? psychopaths contradict themselves every time they speak

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  52. i doubt they'd be so aware of it though. nice try.

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  53. Favorite words of a sociopathic world

    fuck, boring, faggot, idiot
    fuck, boring, faggot, idiot
    fuck, boring, faggot, idiot
    fuck, boring, faggot, idiot
    fuck, boring, faggot, idiot
    fuck, boring, faggot, idiot

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  54. never fear Remember! Je suis ici mon amie avec mes pile de drivelle merde! <3

    mais, tu ne pas parle au moi! :DDDD

    D'accord. Au revoir. Ou est la piscine?
    Merci.

    bahahahahaha

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  55. this place is for high functioners dumbfuck

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  56. shut up you faggot. and while your at it you can go fuck yourself. you boring idiot.

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  57. My dick is so small and fat but I heart it

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  58. fuck, boring, faggot, idiotMarch 23, 2011 at 8:31 PM

    This is not the pool.

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  59. SW has just reach a new low. Hang your heads in shame, people.

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  60. I can't feel shame but I'll hang it anyway

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  61. I can make you feel shame and then I eat you.

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  62. ill make u feel shame when i rape you in front of ur family faggot.

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  63. Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked
    Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked
    Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked
    Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked
    Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked
    Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked
    Proud, angry, insensitive, wicked

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  64. I can make it next friday if you are available.

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  65. Yes, there are countless examples of bohemians behaving badly. Many people enjoy romanticising and mythologising antisocial and self-destructive behaviour when people are deemed to be engaging in it because they're suffering for their (or someone else's) art - linking abuse to love often lets them legitimise it as an act of passion. Sentimentalism as escapism aside, I think such tales also serve as a kind of oppression porn for many physically or emotionally oppressed women. I don't believe that Modigliani was necessarily a sociopath because to my mind the writer too closely follows the literary lores of the tortured artist trope when evoking his spirit *shrugs* I'll dip into it as a work of factual fiction though.

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  66. I agree in a very limited extent. There has been a large influx of conversation about music and art, two things I like, but not here.

    If I can't get my fill with something on topic, I'd rather read some obvious embellishment, silly stories and braggadocio than read about someone's art opinion. You're boring all of us to an early grave, as if we needed any help with that. If that's your goal, Mission Fucking Accomplished.

    Go home, the war is done. For the love of god, let us bury our dead. The smell is unbearable.

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  67. well Remember???, aren't you proud of yourself. you think your so great dont you you faggot. well that makes me angry! angry enough to do some wicked shit to you! your not great, your just a boring insensitive idiot and i will fuck you up.

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  68. I am so overused. I am a slave. Can you use another word?

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  69. We need more posts about rape and murder, fuck these slutty beepers,, it's our site

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  70. What the fuck? This Faggot was the old fashion version of jim Morrison and we are calling him a Socio? What the fuck? We shouldn't glorify self harming bitches like these.

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  71. i liked this place better when it wasnt filled with sociopaths the wannabe socios may be losers but atleast their long boring pile of crap sentances are interesting

    Apparently no one got the intentional humor in this. There's like 4 jokes contained in this one non-sentence.

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  72. This is a disgrace next we will be calling bob Dylan a sociopath.

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  73. Mr. Rodgers is the next sociopath in (part 3). The way he put on those shoes, and red sweater. He raped and pillaged me with those eyes.

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  74. Mr. Roger's was kinda creepy. he freaked me out, anyway. Who the hell was he, saying he was so happy to be my neighbor when he not my neighbor or even knew I existed. And that damn cat with crack-head voice and that ugly ass king dude?

    Come on. Total sociopath.

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  75. Mission Fucking AccomplishedMarch 23, 2011 at 9:20 PM

    According to news tonight the war has just begun, Notable-san.

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  76. so bored of this shitMarch 23, 2011 at 9:51 PM

    nearly everyone in the world is a sociopath cocksuckers and empaths are in the minority. some of us are just better at hiding it than others. if you shop for groceries like a tool and eat palm hearts its your own fault your out. and yeah if you wear a suit and own a paint brush or pen or guitar your fucked. smarten up asslickers.

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  77. There's a lot of people who could easily qualify for ASPD. It's basically the formal diagnosis for "Dickbag".

    Technically, Ssociopathy isn't formally recognized, and Psychopathy is almost exclusively diagnosed and referenced in regards to recidivist criminals.

    I have a hunch about something regarding that, but I will probably flesh it out at my own blog in the next day or two.

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  78. How come you never have any braggadocio stories to tell, Note? Besides the one were you
    almost were going to light a co-workers shirt on fire? That was so badass hardcore, mang.

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  79. How come you're still alive? How you managed to get to your age without someone strangling you is baffling and deserves an answer.

    I don't talk about a lot of the things I do, have done, and intend to do. The why should be simple enough. I don't share them here, and I don't share them in private either, as a few could probably attest to if they so pleased.

    Making up stories is infinitely easier than hiding truths.

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  80. Keeping secrets is braggadocio enough. Keeps the grin real.

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  81. Hah. I love it. You are so banal and predictable, and so easy to control.

    Kindling to the spark. And guess who holds the lighter.

    Instead of whining about how much you are threatened by me, how about telling us a good story? I'm sure you must have plenty of stories you could tell without getting you in trouble. If you have big secret stories as you are trying to imply, then you must at least have some smaller ones. I thought this was the only place in the world where you could 'be yourself'?

    Why not make up some stories at least if you really think you are important enough that you need to wear your proverbial tin hat? Oh yeah, I forgot, you have no imagination.

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  82. To quote a great man: "Whatever, bitch."

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  83. You just whine and call everything boring or stupid when you don't know anything about the subject being discussed because you have nothing to say, and that pisses you off.

    Now you are pretending like you can't be controlled by being all flippant simply because I called you out for being easy bait and for being predictable. How predictable.

    I am literally laughing out loud as I type this.

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  84. "You just whine and call everything boring or stupid when you don't know anything about the subject being discussed because you have nothing to say, and that pisses you off."

    Projection, much?

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  85. Elucidate. As I do not recall ever calling out any conversation as 'boring' or 'stupid'.

    Otherwise you are again trying to usurp my brain and my words, to failing results.

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  86. I can't help that you've melted your memory away with weed. That's your own personal problem, one that I have no interest in alleviating.

    PS: Your Sociopath Strap-On is on backwards.

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  87. House of cards peopled by straw men.

    As always.

    I suggest you brush up on you Vaknin.

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  88. you two. lordy. if this was real life i'd be suggesting you get a room. ;)
    don't mind me, i'm just enjoying the view and enjoying my first hayfever symptoms of the year. hella fun.

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  89. Medusa said...
    "Insert painfully boring retort here."

    You might be onto something.

    Maybe.

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  91. I hope she isn't opposed to being on the receiving end of erotic asphyxiation. I have rubber tubes, soft pillows, and good old hemp rope. Short on leather though, but I could cannibalize an old belt.

    I'll make sure you are well satisfied before we get to that point. And I'll be careful. Trust me.

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  92. Jesus, are you trying to totally gross me out? Ugh.

    Note needs a good pegging for sure, but I'd only consider doing it with a 3+ mile long pole.

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  93. Ugh, Note, shut up. I can't believe you are even entertaining the idea, even in internet reality.

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  94. I can't believe you aren't. You're missing out.

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  95. Are you hot? Like, REALLY hot? And a little creepy looking?

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  96. Or at least extremely sexy? Don't lie, now.

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  97. Considering my prospect is a dismembered gorgon, I think you can settle for good looking/handsome and devious. Extremely hot and creepy? Can't help you there.

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  99. Interesting. Back in my 'composer' days I referenced a Berlioz theme/melody in one of my pieces. One of the cheesier moments of my musical history, but it was quite effective in pleasing my teacher as I knew it would be.

    I'M SO PRETENTIOUS.

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  100. I think I actually played out the super crazy hot/way creepy guy to an almost caricature-y extent at this point. I've already reached the top of that mountain.

    On to something else.

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  102. I will make a Note of it, Soulful. The book.

    I have yet to meet the man who deserves to hear the most beautiful music of which I am aware.

    In a darkened room. Prone. Still. No movement.

    Whoever that person is, if he ever arrives, or exists, will be treated to an experience that cannot be replicated.

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  103. Her mother's $2000 investment paid off.

    "Friday Night" should be dedicated to notable and good looking/handsome and devious types.

    Fun, Fun, Fun, etc.

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  104. The poor little beeper notme, always combining fighting and romance. Such a retard lol.

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  105. Notable is a corny douchebag who never did shit, he isn't even a narcissist.

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  106. Notable is UKans bitch, he always has been. I like how Misanthrope, Adam and UKan actually do shit when they aren't on the Internet, Notable never has a story to tell, of course unless he made it up.

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  107. Not able is the black sheep, real socios don't get answered back.

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  108. I doubt Notable has any sort of real life. He's almost always hanging around this blog, his own and other people's. He just sits on the computer all day.

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