Thursday, February 25, 2010

Gold star sociopath?

When people ask me for recommendations of what to read/watch to understand sociopaths better, I tell them, among other things, the film The Woodsmen with Kevin Bacon. In it he plays a "recovering" pedophile who struggles with his urges as he tries to form a "normal" romantic attachment with a woman and stumbles upon another predator like himself. Un-acted upon pedaphilia was recently addressed in a Dan Savage column. when I read it, for "pedophile," I substituted "sociopath," for "sexual attraction to children," I substituted ...
Let's say, theoretically, I'm a pedophile.

I'm not stupid or evil, so I'm not gonna DO anything. I'm not even gonna look at porn, because the production of it involves child exploitation. I don't even look at kids in public places.

So what the fuck should I do? Chemical castration? But I haven't DONE anything and I don't plan to. Am I obliged to tell anyone? Good way to lose friends. Can I keep babysitting my friends' kids when they need a hand? After all, if I were into adult women, people wouldn't see anything wrong with leaving me alone with a couple of those.

What the fuck do I do? Live alone and hope Japan starts producing affordable sexbots before I'm too old to care?

You know, theoretically. If I were a pedophile.

Knows It's Wrong

"My heart goes out to people to whom nature has given something as powerful and as distracting as a sex drive and no healthy way to express it," says Dr. James Cantor, a psychologist and the editor in chief of the research journal Sexual Abuse. "Pedophiles are not the only folks in this position, but they are by far the most demonized, regardless of whether they have ever actually caused anyone any kind of harm."

My heart is going out to you, too. As I've written before, we should acknowledge the existence of "good pedophiles," people like you, KIW, who are burdened with a sexual interest in children but who possess the moral sense to resist acting on that interest. It's a lifelong struggle for "good pedophiles," and most manage to succeed without any emotional support—to say nothing of credit—whatsoever.

Unfortunately, science doesn't know much about pedophiles like you, pedophiles who haven't done anything, because the social stigma is so great that most nonoffending pedophiles never seek treatment. And what research has been done, says Cantor, isn't very encouraging if you're looking to free yourself from your attraction to children.

"There is no known way of turning a pedophile into a nonpedophile," says Cantor. "The best we can do is help a person maximize their self-control and to help them build an otherwise happy and productive life."

"It is true that a regular heterosexual man is not going to commit an offense against every woman he finds attractive. However, most women are capable of recognizing when an interaction is just starting to go south and of getting out of the situation. Most children are not. So although there is every reason to believe that there exist cats that can successfully be in charge of the canary, it's not a very good idea for the cat to be the one making that call."

"I wish I had better news," concludes Cantor. "I also wish that more people did good research on this so that one day I could have better news to give."
The money quote for me: "Unfortunately, science doesn't know much about pedophiles like you, pedophiles who haven't done anything, because the social stigma is so great that most nonoffending pedophiles never seek treatment."

13 comments:

  1. "Unfortunately, science doesn't know much about pedophiles like you, pedophiles who haven't done anything, because the social stigma is so great that most nonoffending pedophiles never seek treatment."

    Incredibly apt quote. As someone who very much assumes they are a psychopath/sociopath I can identify with this completely. I don't think I'm 'bad' or 'evil' but I understand that the science is based almost entirely on criminals (indeed, mostly violent criminals) so the idea of seeking treatment - or even confiding in my friends or family - seems ludicrous.

    'well doc, I think im a psychopath...'

    That would go down well.
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  2. it doesnt go down....
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  3. if a 'good' paedophile created a blog glamourizing paedophilia, bragging of his personal exploits, and deriding victims of paedophilia...wouldn't he be, by definition, a bad paedophile?
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  4. "if a 'good' paedophile created a blog glamourizing paedophilia, bragging of his personal exploits, and deriding victims of paedophilia...wouldn't he be, by definition, a bad paedophile?

    Actions and intent to cause harm are all that matter in the eyes of the law. Everything else resides within the right to free speech.

    The morality of such thoughts, however, may differ, but that is highly subjective. Whether you consider him "good" or "bad" is your own decision; the law is not meant to make judgment based on subjective moralities.
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  5. Ishtar, you're a bit thick, aren't you?
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  6. i thought about doing a website where people like 'us' can express ourselves.... but i figure it would be over run with idiocy and may even cause some legal issues... plus i think most hosting programs would find a pro sociopath website in violations of the 'terms of service'
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  7. Couldn't a 'good pedophile' just date really petite women/men and coax them into dressing like a child around the house?

    My ex-gf used to wear pigtails all the time and call me 'daddy' (yes, she was abused). I rather liked that about her. . .
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  8. "Ishtar, you're a bit thick, aren't you?

    If by "thick" you mean "realistic" then by all means, yes :) I'm only regurgitating the general consensus of my colleagues, so that must mean you find most law school students to be thick then, does it not?

    "i thought about doing a website where people like 'us' can express ourselves.... but i figure it would be over run with idiocy and may even cause some legal issues... plus i think most hosting programs would find a pro sociopath website in violations of the 'terms of service'

    "Pro-sociopath"? You can't be serious. Dogmatism works both ways.
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  9. Ishtar, I think you missed the part where anon said, "bragging of his personal exploits." Using the pedophilia comparison, that's the equivalent to M.E. bragging about raping children and going into great detail about how to lure them in, etc. You might want to rethink your position.
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  10. It seems rather pointless to ask a question that should already have a self evident answer.

    Or, is this Anonymous's poor attempt at humour?
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  11. I identify with this post completely. I have something of a lolita fetish. I went as far as to seek out not just pictures of underage girls naked, but wanted to find true child porn. I did. I can't unsee it.
    When I got to that point and found what I wanted to, and did what I wanted to do with it though, I felt profound remorse, and haven't returned since. I remember being alone in a room with a young girl, and thought, what if I touched her? But couldn't bring myself to do it.

    Exactly as the article says, I would never admit this to anyone in real life. Even a counselor may have a hard time keeping a secret if I admitted to committing a crime.

    It's a mental burden at times but all I can do is never return, something that is very easy for sociopaths, fortunately, once they are convinced (like I am) that what they were doing was wrong.
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  12. Some realistic points have been made.

    My ex bf turned out to be a nasty, ever increasing in evil, sociopath.
    Before I was completely sure of his diagnosis I used to demand some explanations for whatever or why he was up to that whatever was negative action(s)..
    He never had any humanly comprehensible answer to share.
    After a time it started to occur to me. that his answer or admittions
    were possibly be far worse.
    That is than any accusations I could infer from the limited replies or "no comment(s)".

    By the time we had ended I knew what he was for certain ( even medically diagnosed at one point). and then in reflection the predicament he had been in. That is in ever explainimg himself!

    This man was such a petty nasty evil thing that no sympathy for this devil is needed.He'd make me pay plus a hefty interest rate for whatever unease he was put through.
    The one point none of you made was that there are so many people who prefer playing the three blind monkeys rather than face real unpleasant facts about some peoples capacity to contain the framework as well as do seriously harmful and hurtful things. And some are just not like the rest of well intended moral mostly people.
    Hence both the sociopath and pedophile can often say or do actions that reveal them and for a large share of this without reprecussion in the mainstream world.
    Most people can't readily process the negativity of pedophiles or sociopaths much less want to.
    Unless they are a repeat victim of either of these two they will actualy do the initial excuse making and denails with or for the pedophile and sociopath.

    As a social worker I believe it would be great if the more insightful sociopaths and pedophiles could be counted and indicate that these conditions can still encompass some intelligence and constraint over some of their traits.

    Currently we mostly only know about the uncontrolled idiot worse end of the spectrum of these conditions.
    Nor do the weaker chaotic sociopaths and pedophiles as well as many councellors realise it is possible to be more functionaly constrained
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